Portis is a BIG problem!!!

TheSmurfs22 · 11-09-2009, 06:41 AM

I noticed too that we were more effective with the run when Betts and Rock were in. Can't say it is all of Portis's issue there is a lot more going on but it did make me wonder if it is not time to start relying on others.

Loved seeing all the anti Snyder/Vinny signs at the Georgia Dome!

Beemnseven · 11-09-2009, 07:10 AM

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We're too financially vested in him to do either of those. The only we can hope for is that the CBA doesn't get signed and we go into an uncapped year where we can release players with no ill effect.

I don't think this is a complete reflection on Portis's ability. From the looks of it we made adjustments at half and didn't give up on the run. Atlanta seemed prepared for some pass heavy offense so we could get back into the game.

We did manage to run better in the 2nd half though. I can't completely put that on Portis given the circumstances.

That's a good point -- we all talk as though it isn't going to be signed.

But what if they do sign it? That's going to crush the dreams of quite a few Redskins fans, and those within the organization too.

SolidSnake84 · 11-09-2009, 08:17 AM

I think people today realized it for the first time. Portis is holding us back because he isn't as quick as he used to be and he can't find the holes. The allegedly poor o-line that can't block for CP sure looked good yesterday when Betts and Cartwright were eating up yards...

This could be a blessing in disguise for the redskins if CP is out for a few games. Betts sure looked good.

Mattyk · 11-09-2009, 08:38 AM

Above all, the OL is holding this team back. That's been the story all year. Let's not get distracted based on one half where we ran the ball effectively.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?

I think if you look at a pound for pound, I'd say either Orakpo or Andre Carter. Well, I'd throw London Fletcher in there too. But right now, I'm leaning towards Orakpo as the best Redskin.

He'll also probably end up getting DROY.

Ruhskins · 11-09-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point

You are completely missing the point. As much as I want to like Portis it's kinda hard to have much respect for him. Granted, he's not a Chad Johnson or T.O. or L. Johnson or any other locker room cancer; but he has had his share of situations where he causes controversy. Portis has twice had verbal/media spats with coaches (Gibbs and Zorn), he seems to have a close (or used to) relationship with Snyder and many feel that this allows him to act the way he is; he doesn't practice; he threw Sellers under the bus and demanded that he'd be benched.

Portis has been a great player and as a fan I will never forget what he has done for the team. However, he lacks the leadership and discipline to be the face of the franchise, and unfortunately he seems to be the face of the franchise.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point

And he also has, what, six sacks this year. And he constantly get's pressure on the QB. Yeah, I'm sticking with BO. Umm..Clinton Portis is hardly a pro bowl running back anymore. I bet if Portis got cut today, only a handful of teams would try to pick him up as evidence of that.

I think you could make an argument for Fletch, but I think Orakpo is having more of an impact season, where as Fletch is more consistent and steady at what he does.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

fwiw....the outside world doesnt get to look at all the problems that you say portis is causing....im sure as a fan you cant help but look down on him for creating problems all by himself but look at the franchise as a whole

the entire thing is a mess.....the owner is goof....the GM is falling apart.....the head coach is getting called out and getting relieved of his duties as a head coach......remember all of these opinions are from an outsider looking in

he is doing the same thing that you guys are doing IMO......blaming everything on everybody until something is done.....its unfortunate to see such a proud franchise fall apart so quickly but change needs to happen quickly and it needs to start from the top down......the players are not as much the problem as the FO is

the one thing the organization is doing is keeping all these little outbursts in house because like i said........i had no idea about any of his actions off the field

Just to be clear, Portis is by no stretch a trouble maker, disgruntled employee, or a locker room cancer. Some of his comments and the timing of them may be questionable, but I don't think there's a Redskin or very few Redskins fans that would question his heart and motivation and commitment to the team.

I think his production on the field and where he stands with the team are two separate arguments. I personally think he's done as an athlete, but I also believe he loves being a Redskin.

But this is what you get when you're a losing team; everything is magnified. There's an old saying that winning cures all. When the Redskins were winning, Portis was pretty much the same guy you see right now. I don't think he's changed at all.

1divdoc · 11-09-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Above all, the OL is holding this team back. That's been the story all year. Let's not get distracted based on one half where we ran the ball effectively.

yup... 5 first half sacks... cant all be blamed on campbell. o-line is an epic fail this season, and campbell and portis are taking heat for it (dont get me wrong though, im still not a huge JC fan)

Mattyk · 11-09-2009, 11:38 AM

Portis isn't our top player but with our OL in shambles it's tough to tell how much is on him vs. the line. Plus he's had some lingering ankle issues that have probably slowed him down.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step

Look, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you thinking about putting Portis on your fantasy team or something? Clinton could break out next week for a buck fifty and I'd feel the same. It's just plain old wear and tear. He's knees are wearing out, his ankles are bothering him, and as a consequence he's lost a step or two. He ain't what he used to be and he's not by a long shot the best Redskin. Period. But that's just my opinion.

Even if ends up with a thousand yards this year, so what?

Lotus · 11-09-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step

I would call leading all rookies in sacks impressive.

44Deezel · 11-09-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?

Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.

freddyg12 · 11-09-2009, 12:31 PM

I was about to post a thread about Betts till I saw this one. Betts, who some here say sucks, looked the same as he always has to me - quick to the hole, straight ahead runner, but sometimes lost in protection. I was always surprised when people here said he'd gotten slow. He just hasn't had many carries.

He looks better than CP, though I know the o line woke up for the 2nd half & he benefited. Every year the coaches, whether Al Saunders in the past or S. Smith this year, say in camp how good he looks & how they want to use him. Then come game time he gets in on 3rd downs + 1 or 2 carries. It's never made sense to me, he deserves more carries even when CP is healthy.

I honestly think Portis getting all the carries has something to do w/his relationship to the Danny. Otherwise, this year it just doesn't make much sense. Regardless of the poor o line, he's looked slow & indecisive.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

im not trying to get at anything other than saying you guys are jumping the guns on arguably your best player

if portis gets over 1000 yards it proves he hasnt lost his ability to run the ball....it proves that even tho you're not a fan, that the hate on him is pretty much unjustified.......there are backs all around the league that would kill for a 1000 yard season

portis has rushed for over 1000 yards in 6 of his 7.5 seasons....im not sure why you dont think hes lost a step when last season he was only 13 yards short of having his 4th 1500 yard season in 7 seasons last year

Jumping the gun? Hating on Portis? Dude, what are you talking about? We've been watching Portis for five years+. It's not like we woke up last week and said Portis is done. It is what it is. The stats you point out is precisely the reason he's not as good as he used to be. Running backs, generally speaking, have a five year shelf life. And the more you pound them, the more you cut into their effectiveness later down the road.

A 1,000 yard season is hardly the metric for good backs anymore. It's probably closer to 1,300-1,400 with another couple of hundreds yards in receiving to go with it. Those are the numbers of marquee running back in the NFL. Nowadays you can throw any old Joe out there and gain 1,000 yards. It means nothing.

I don't think either team playing in last year's Super Bowl had a thousand yard rusher. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

11-09-2009, 06:41 AM	#46
TheSmurfs22 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 957	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! I noticed too that we were more effective with the run when Betts and Rock were in. Can't say it is all of Portis's issue there is a lot more going on but it did make me wonder if it is not time to start relying on others. Loved seeing all the anti Snyder/Vinny signs at the Georgia Dome! __________________ F#$% the Cowpukes!

11-09-2009, 08:17 AM	#48
SolidSnake84 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 1,716	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! I think people today realized it for the first time. Portis is holding us back because he isn't as quick as he used to be and he can't find the holes. The allegedly poor o-line that can't block for CP sure looked good yesterday when Betts and Cartwright were eating up yards... This could be a blessing in disguise for the redskins if CP is out for a few games. Betts sure looked good. __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

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Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,722	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! Above all, the OL is holding this team back. That's been the story all year. Let's not get distracted based on one half where we ran the ball effectively. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-09-2009, 11:38 AM	#55
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,722	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! Portis isn't our top player but with our OL in shambles it's tough to tell how much is on him vs. the line. Plus he's had some lingering ankle issues that have probably slowed him down. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-09-2009, 12:31 PM	#59
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! I was about to post a thread about Betts till I saw this one. Betts, who some here say sucks, looked the same as he always has to me - quick to the hole, straight ahead runner, but sometimes lost in protection. I was always surprised when people here said he'd gotten slow. He just hasn't had many carries. He looks better than CP, though I know the o line woke up for the 2nd half & he benefited. Every year the coaches, whether Al Saunders in the past or S. Smith this year, say in camp how good he looks & how they want to use him. Then come game time he gets in on 3rd downs + 1 or 2 carries. It's never made sense to me, he deserves more carries even when CP is healthy. I honestly think Portis getting all the carries has something to do w/his relationship to the Danny. Otherwise, this year it just doesn't make much sense. Regardless of the poor o line, he's looked slow & indecisive.

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