Portis is a BIG problem!!!

sportscurmudgeon · 11-09-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

We've talked a lot about Portis and the various problems he presents, but with all the other many thing going wrong with this team he's just a small portion. Discipline is a serious issue with this team.

Portis is part of the reason that dicipline is lacking. When/if anything goes along in a way he doesn't like, he calls Danny Boy and puts pressure on the coach/coaches who are doing things he doesn't like.

He also complained about the abilities of his OL last year saying that he would love to run behind a good OL for a season or two. That really helped the coaches form a solid and cohesive unit.

Clinton Portis was a very talented running back. He is seriously on the decline now. At the top of his game, it was probably worth putting up with his "diva act" because of his productivity on Sunday. Now he is still a diva and his productivity is headed down.

A good message for the rest of these guys would be to dress Portis and then not play him a single down in a game. But it won't happen...

hail_2_da_skins · 11-09-2009, 03:19 PM

I love what Portis has done in the past. He is not the back he used to be. It was obvious that the running game picked up when he left. Betts and Cartwright were hitting the holes at full speed, not falling down. I think Portis time in Washington is over. Redskin 2010 wish list, tackle, guard, quarterback, running back, linebacker, free safety.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis

in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough?

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out

I don't remember ever talking to you before today, so I don't know who you're accusing of bashing. I have my opinion and you have yours. That's fine. Go through my posts and tell me where I bashed Clinton Portis. And for those that are bashing him, who really cares. People are upset. We come here to vent. Portis is a big boy and we greatly appreciate all that he's done as a Washington Redskin.

But I find it ironic that a New Orleans Saints fan, a perennial loser with a history of fans wearing bags on their faces, calling their team the ain'ts, not one Super Bowl appearance --ever-- and an overrated Reggie Bush, would come to a Redskin board and tell us what's bashing and what's not. But whatever fries your egg, I guess.

Let me make this as plain as possible for you.

Clinton Portis is no longer an elite running back in the National Footbal League. He's not even the core of this team anymore.

You can dig as deep into the stats and spin the fan psychology here all all you want. Are there contributing factors to Portis' decline, of course there are. Skim the first three or four threads and you'll find plenty. No one here is denying that. But, in my opinion, Clinton Portis' day of carrying this offense are over. Does he have another 1,000 yard season in him, perhaps. Centerpiece of the offense, no.

over the mountain · 11-09-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

huh??

this offseason someone made a thread saying portis isnt worth the money or headache. i kinda agreed with him saying the skisn were dumb to re-negogiate his K and guarantee so much money to a runningback (which seems to be the easiest position to replace nowadays).

i also said Cp only gets as many yards as the Oline clears for him.

i and the OP were greeted with a bunch of "if you think portis is a prob then you dont know football" or "yeah lets blame our 1500 yd back" responses.

idk its alil frustrating to be criticized for stating an opinion then (seemingly) having the masses who once criticized your football iq start agreeing with you.

no big deal, i was drunk and alil aggitated by the game.

i also think portis and moss dont try 110% for the past few seasons and i question their heart compared to guys like fletcher. i am greeted with responses like "there is no stat for heart" or "its just silly to question a guys heart" . .

basically this season has made me a lil jaded and i do apologize.

go skins!!

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i wasnt responding to just you.....i was making a note to everyone who was bashing portis

lol.....first of all....i didnt get a chance to live through the bag days but ive done my share of bashing players on my favorite teams just like the rest of you....im here because i was invited by a nice poster who stumbled on to my home site blackandgold.com last season.....i cant recall his username because the site went down and we lost all of our private and public messages.....i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season

No worries. We're a little sensitive around here these days.

I still think we're going to whoop that ass when we play the Saints.

DieHardSkinsFan777 · 11-09-2009, 06:40 PM

portis still has a headache, something he has been good at bringing to this organization. i know the feeling every sunday watching this awful mess.

portis best days in dc are long gone.

betts did a fine job. i expect the same again this week against the broncos.

Zerohero · 11-09-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season

Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerohero

Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history

He's already been reminded

Zerohero · 11-09-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year

Good job at proving our point, your just on here to brag. I actually like the Saints and how they are run lately. Come back when yall have won 3 superbowls, then you can start talking.

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year

Well on behalf of Redskins nation we're so thrilled that you came to a Redskins forum to get "it" off your chest. Where next week, San Francisco forum? You know they were once good too.

While you're boasting about your great record, I would take caution and look at the Patriots undefeated season, which netted them an embarrassing lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl. The San Diego Chargers also come to mind, who went 13-3 a couple of seasons ago, and got punched in the mouth during the playoffs. LT hasn't been the same since.

The list is long with teams that are red hot during the season and flop during the playoffs. I happen to think the Vikings are the best team in the NFC right now, but we'll see what happens if/when you guys meet them in the playoffs. I think either team will represent well in the Super Bowl.

That being said, you're welcome to come here and share, talk trash, or whatever. Seems like fans from across the league come here to offer their condolences once in a while.

mlmdub130 · 11-09-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerohero

Good job at proving our point, your just on here to brag. I actually like the Saints and how they are run lately. Come back when yall have won 3 superbowls, then you can start talking.

it's almost been 2 decades though, history is great and we do have the trophies in ashburn, but it sure would be nice to have one this century

Zerohero · 11-09-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

it's almost been 2 decades though, history is great and we do have the trophies in ashburn, but it sure would be nice to have one this century

I agree still the point is we HAVE a history, the braggart doesn't. Even going back 8 years where we have really struggled and NO has had lot of success they have only 3 more wins not counting this year.

mlmdub130 · 11-09-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerohero

I agree still the point is we HAVE a history, the braggart doesn't. Even going back 8 years where we have really struggled and NO has had lot of success they have only 3 more wins not counting this year.

true i'm just tired of sucking now is all

12thMan · 11-09-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend

check again....ive been here since april.....i dont need to pick on the down and out because my team has been there before....i came here to offer support but you guys have your heads so far up your butts to see that

like i said before.....i didnt come here to trash talk and brag about my team...i came here to talk about the redskins.....i talk about my saints enough on my own forums and its nice to step away from those sites every once in awhile and check out some other sites from around the league

but while your worried about trying to knock me down, remember that what is in the past is in the past for a reason....this is a new year and for all the great teams that you can name that didnt end up getting to the super bowl, i can name twice or 3 times as many that did go to the super bowl....and came out on top......sure records dont mean much once you get into the playoffs....but they do mean something....especially when homefield advantage comes into play.....playing at home througout the playoffs is a huge advantage especially when you play in a dome

we are building our case to have homefield advantage this year.....while you guys are building your case to have the first pick in the draft

i came here as a football fan that enjoys watching the saints.....i came here to talk football....not to talk about my saints

sure i dont know everything about the redskins but i know enough to carry on a conversation.....i know enough football to offer suggestions and comments on whatever you guys are talking about

you all are getting defensive because you think i came here to talk down to you.....if you guys can prove me wrong i welcome the idea.....but so far, at least in this thread, i havent seen much of an argument for why portis shouldnt play here

i dont get to see the redskins all the time and i dont care much to....but stats are a great and very effective way to judge how a player plays and how well they stack up against other players from around the league.....from a statistical standpoint, portis is an elite back and there arent many reasons to rip him right now other than the team is losing

the running game is almost always a result of how well the offensive line is playing.....the redskins offensive line is pretty terrible and yet, portis still manages to pull off 1400 yard seasons......that credit should go somewhere

the braggart doesnt give 2 sh*ts about how many wins either team has in the past.....but for the record.....why didnt you count the wins and losses this season? because your post would look significantly different?

over the past 4 seasons(under sean payton) we have made the NFC championship game, won our 2nd playoff game in franchise history......consistantly had the #1 offense in the league.....led the league in turnovers on defense and defensive TDs.....led the league in points per game, passing offense, total offense, and win percentage......our QB has the most passing yardage and TDs over the past 4 seasons of any QB in the league.....our QB has the 2nd most passing yards in a single season......our QB has also been sacked the least amount of times over the past 4 seasons than any QB....and considering we pass more than anybody(not this year tho) that sack stat is astounding

so while you guys have a rich history over a longer period of time.....our time is now.....i dont care whether you credit us or not but eventually reality will set in and you'll understand why im so proud of my team after all these years

on another note......sorry for taking up the entire page to post a rebuttle

Easy fella, I like my head up my butt.

What's your take on Reggie Bush, by the way?

GusFrerotte · 11-09-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

We're too financially vested in him to do either of those. The only we can hope for is that the CBA doesn't get signed and we go into an uncapped year where we can release players with no ill effect.

I don't think this is a complete reflection on Portis's ability. From the looks of it we made adjustments at half and didn't give up on the run. Atlanta seemed prepared for some pass heavy offense so we could get back into the game.

We did manage to run better in the 2nd half though. I can't completely put that on Portis given the circumstances.

Portis has had enough and just doesn't care. He has the Barry Saunders' Syndrome. Guy has been one of the few t rue ballers out there for years, and now he has had enough. Seriously now, I think the guy has already thrown in the towel. Can you blame him?

11-09-2009, 03:19 PM	#62
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 57 Posts: 862	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! I love what Portis has done in the past. He is not the back he used to be. It was obvious that the running game picked up when he left. Betts and Cartwright were hitting the holes at full speed, not falling down. I think Portis time in Washington is over. Redskin 2010 wish list, tackle, guard, quarterback, running back, linebacker, free safety. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

11-09-2009, 06:40 PM	#66
DieHardSkinsFan777 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!! portis still has a headache, something he has been good at bringing to this organization. i know the feeling every sunday watching this awful mess. portis best days in dc are long gone. betts did a fine job. i expect the same again this week against the broncos.

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