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Old 11-16-2009, 08:34 PM   #76
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Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..

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I think he is frustrated with how things are going as a redskin. But still, he is one of our most talented CBs, and I am not gonna forget how he has shutdown other receivers in the past.

I think this has gotta be the biggest worry for us going into next week. A CB corp of Smoot and Hall has got to have Romo licking his chops.
I'd be frustrated too if i was a shutdown corner who couldnt catch balls or actually shutdown receivers. It's been a horrible season but a couple of pick 6's could have really changed some games.
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because weve had the easiest schedule of all time.
I think this point has been lost on a lot of us, we had such a cupcake schedule. Such a waste...
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:52 PM   #78
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gtripp, let me ask you something. i value your posts. very informative, and insightful. but whats up with the personal vendetta against Hall? here's my take on him. not very good in man coverage. but... he MAKES PLAYS. that's the name of the game in the NFL. you put enough play makers on both sides of the ball, and ill give you a super bowl contender. sometimes your hatred towards him clouds your credibility
He doesn't ever really make a play though, as much as plays seem to come to him. When he's up against a bad opponent, Hall's technique of severe trail coverage means he's in position to take really ill-advised throws by the quarterback and turn them into big defensive plays. That's something.

Problem with that is that it inherently relies on mistakes by the opponent to become big plays by the defense. If you're going to be a winning team, you shouldn't be in close games against teams that employ Josh Johnson, and Jake Delhomme (and Chris Simms). The fact that the Redskins were is in no way Hall's fault, but any quarterback worth his salt just takes advantage of Hall's complete lack of route recognition ability.

Look at the opponents on his interceptions (26 career).

His aggragate numbers are mediocre, but he has astounding splits between great passing offenses and weak ones. That just suggests that he'll make the plays that come to him, but he's not a playmaker. And that's not worth tens of millions of dollars.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:03 PM   #79
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i don't believe he is worth that kind of money. but on a team that struggles to create turn overs, you take them any way you can. and Rogers cant even make the ones he is handed. and with McNabb, Hassleback, Brees, and both Manning's on your list, im not sure of your point
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i don't believe he is worth that kind of money. but on a team that struggles to create turn overs, you take them any way you can. and Rogers cant even make the ones he is handed. and with McNabb, Hassleback, Brees, and both Manning's on your list, im not sure of your point
One way I think we could create more turnovers is using our top three or five pass rushing unit to force fumbles, but that requires an agressive man-lock, or mixed-zone scheme to take away options for the quarterback.

The interceptions Hall gets certainly help our defense, I'd say a lot more than most people realize since those aren't factored into our defensive rank, but it's not like he's a rare bird or anything. The Redskins don't have very many players that do what Hall does, but most every other team does. These players aren't really in demand either, because coaches can't do anything schematically with them, except to put them in the game and hope quarterbacks make some bad decisions out there. Coaches like to think in terms of match-ups, and you can't really scheme anything with Hall, as he does one thing very well: turn and run.

So while Hall offers something we sorely need, you're right, the bottom line is that we're paying a lot of money for a guy who doesn't have any total value from a football operations perspective. His role absolutely needs to be filled though, as you can't have a secondary full of Fred Smoots.

By comparison, I'd say Springs was more of a play-creator than Hall ever has been, but Hall's here because he can stay healthy and Springs can't.
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:26 PM   #81
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If I were the Redskins going into the offseason, I would restrict him and trade him for the highest draft pick just to show him who is really calling the shots. Now typically we don't do this but I certainly wouldn't reward him with a long term deal or reward his poor play and bad behavior by cutting him outright.

For a corner who cannot catch the ball, I think he is overplaying his hand.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:35 AM   #82
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Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..

I agree that Rogers should be traded for whatever picks we can get, to build up the O-line.

He has saved opposing teams from literally dozens of interceptions because of his inability to catch the ball. He has single-handedly kept us near the bottom of the league in defensive turnovers every year. We have one of the top defenses in the NFL every season, yet always finish near the bottom in turnovers. Carlos is the reason.

If we can't trade him and have to keep him, give him a low base-salary contract with incentives for INTs...make him earn his money.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:44 AM   #83
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Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..

This is really disappointing, I think Rogers is a solid CB for the most part. He just seems prone to mental lapses. It happened this time last year too, when he got benched for Hall. He's our best man cover cb, but if he continues to bite on the double moves, he might as well stay on the bench. Maybe it comes down to Hall just not being very smart, not preparing well & on top of that seeming to carry a chip on his shoulder.

I expect to see a lot of cover 2 this week. If dallas & garret are smart they'll look to pound the ball on us & make our secondary tackle. If we can stop the run in cover 2 we can win sunday.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:59 AM   #84
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"I ain't even gonna think about no future here."

Huh. Well good riddance then. Seems like Carlos has always had an attitude problem, he certainly doesn't seem to care at all right now, he sounds like a punk, and he's got shoehorns for hands. Let's see what we've got in Barnes and Tryon.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:13 AM   #85
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"I ain't even gonna think about no future here."

Double negative, so he's saying that he IS thinking about the future here?

He AIN'T thinking about NO FUTURE, so he is?
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"I ain't even gonna think about no future here."

Huh. Well good riddance then. Seems like Carlos has always had an attitude problem, he certainly doesn't seem to care at all right now, he sounds like a punk, and he's got shoehorns for hands. Good riddance. Let's see what we've got in Barnes and Tryon.
I'm definitely in that, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" group. I think he thinks a premiere CB when in reality he's just okay. Like 50/50, sometimes he'll get the job done, sometimes he'll bite on a double move and then totally give up on a play. In my mind, that's not good enough. I dunno what's worse D.Hall blowing tackles or Rogers biting on WRs and then giving up on the play. But I digress.

But watch, we'll trade Rogers away and he goes to another team and ends up like HOF material. Doesn't that shit always happen to us?
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I'm definitely in that, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" group. I think he thinks a premiere CB when in reality he's just okay. Like 50/50, sometimes he'll get the job done, sometimes he'll bite on a double move and then totally give up on a play. In my mind, that's not good enough. I dunno what's worse D.Hall blowing tackles or Rogers biting on WRs and then giving up on the play. But I digress.

But watch, we'll trade Rogers away and he goes to another team and ends up like HOF material. Doesn't that shit always happen to us?
Honestly I don't care, this dude has a piss poor attitude. Shit, I'll take D. Hall over Rogers at anytime right now...at least Hall gets picks, I know that's not everything that a CB should do, but Rogers isn't showing anything. I just hope we have a better FO that will find a way to get compensation for him.
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Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..

he's a bum, when we picked him with the 9th pick I wanted to cry, we need to stay away from Auburn players (see JC) ...lol
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I'm definitely in that, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" group. I think he thinks a premiere CB when in reality he's just okay. Like 50/50, sometimes he'll get the job done, sometimes he'll bite on a double move and then totally give up on a play. In my mind, that's not good enough. I dunno what's worse D.Hall blowing tackles or Rogers biting on WRs and then giving up on the play. But I digress.

But watch, we'll trade Rogers away and he goes to another team and ends up like HOF material. Doesn't that shit always happen to us?
I think the reason he's 50/50 and not the premier player he should be is all in his mind. He thinks he's made it so he doesnt put his head down and go to work. He seems to be the type of guy that doesnt want to admit he's got work to do when it's not going good, and he would rather just blame someone else or the circumstances.
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Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..

i like rogers. i liked when we picked him in the draft, i liked how we got to see him progress compared to his draft buddies of pacman and rolle. i liked how he came back last year and really seemed to play well after the injury. i remember he shut down quite a few top tier recievers without alot of help last year.

i thought he's benching last year was alil puzzling. i didnt like his atitude after the benching last year. this year hes play hasnt really stood out. i dont like his attitude or comments now.

no proof, but i really do think their is a group of players wanting out of dc. springs was one of them, i think moss and some others as well. i'm going to add rogers to the list of players not wanting to be a skin.

i just hope orakpo stays close to fletcher and some of the other professionals on our team and that group of wanna-be-dissenters dont get into his head with this idea that we are a continually losing franchise with no hope.
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