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Old 11-16-2009, 12:33 PM   #31
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Colt wouldn't see the damn field until both Collins and Campbell go bye-bye in a game if he was on the roster. Campbell has one of those durable bodies and Collins probably knows what to do better than any other QB on the team.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:34 PM   #32
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I think the problem is the WCO. This is the Redskins. We played like the Redskins Sunday. All the cutesy stuff is not for top 5 defenses. When Zorn started 6-2 it was running Gibbs offense. Zorn was supposed to keep Gibbs offense and help us with the passing game. He screwed everything up. We are just getting our senses back.

Everybody wants a Brett Farve, Brady, or Manning. Most teams don't have that. They do have playeers in other posisitons that are extraordinary. Please stop with the roster envy.
Keep in mind, Vinny was the one who wanted to change offense system to WCO system.. Therefore, Zorn was just trying to do his job.. Apparently, Vinny isn't backing up this theory; which probably is the reason why Sherm, Sherm and Zorn re going back to old school style..
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I think the whole team was not getting it done. I don't see the point of having a QB change right now, especially when the coaching staff may be gone next season. And let's not forget that Brennan's was Zorn's pick. If you draft a new QB, why would you make him compete with Colt if you're a new coach here in Washington? Just like why would you keep Campbell as a starter. I think if the team gets their future QB through the draft, Brennan will be gone or the 3rd stringer, and Campbell will be either gone or will be the 2nd stringer.
If Colts on the roster next year, it would be foolish of whoever our coach is not evaluate his performance, along with that of all the QBs on the roster and determine who would be the starter, primary backup, and 3rd stringer. It wouldnt necessarily be an open competition, but it would still be a competition. In any case, i think its a strong possibility that there are no QBs on the active roster right now who will be with the team in any capacity in 2010.
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If Colts on the roster next year, it would be foolish of whoever our coach is not evaluate his performance, along with that of all the QBs on the roster and determine who would be the starter, primary backup, and 3rd stringer. It wouldnt necessarily be an open competition, but it would still be a competition. In any case, i think its a strong possibility that there are no QBs on the active roster right now who will be with the team in any capacity in 2010.
Well I'm sure they will be evaluated, it's just that people think that Brennan will automatically be in competition for the starting job...now that's foolish. We're going to have a new QB next year but I wouldn't want to have Brennan as a back up, if we're bringing in a rookie QB.
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Honestly I would hate to see where we would be at with CB in there.

I think yesterday showed that with a good running game and decent protection JC can manage the game and give us enough from the QB spot to win.
Absolutely not! Just because we won a game don't start thinking that this guy is good enough to win with. We matched up well with Denver. That's why I picked the Skins to win. We're not going to be able to run the ball like that against most teams. The fact that Denver had go with the incompetent Chris Simms at QB in the second half may have been the biggest factor in the Redskins win.

As usual, Campbell missed more big plays than he made (such as the overthrow of Moss and the failure to see a wide open Yoder). He was inaccurate for most of the game but he was bailed out by others (like Kelly's great catch on a ball thrown behind him by Campbell on a short crossing pattern on third down.)

Campbell drops back slowly, he doesn't see the field well, he's indecisive, he has a slow release, he's inaccurate, he has no touch, he throws a flat deep ball, and he's not a leader.

Campbell has to go. He should not be signed again after this season. We have enough bad contracts.
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Absolutely not! Just because we won a game don't start thinking that this guy is good enough to win with. We matched up well with Denver. That's why I picked the Skins to win. We're not going to be able to run the ball like that against most teams. The fact that Denver had go with the incompetent Chris Simms at QB in the second half may have been the biggest factor in the Redskins win.

As usual, Campbell missed more big plays than he made (such as the overthrow of Moss and the failure to see a wide open Yoder). He was inaccurate for most of the game but he was bailed out by others (like Kelly's great catch on a ball thrown behind him by Campbell on a short crossing pattern on third down.)

Campbell drops back slowly, he doesn't see the field well, he's indecisive, he has a slow release, he's inaccurate, he has no touch, he throws a flat deep ball, and he's not a leader.

Campbell has to go. He should not be signed again after this season. We have enough bad contracts.
See I'm sorry but you sound unintelligent here...what part of this post:

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Honestly I would hate to see where we would be at with CB in there.

I think yesterday showed that with a good running game and decent protection JC can manage the game and give us enough from the QB spot to win.
Tells you that Campbell should be signed after this season? Did he say that? No. No one is, so get over it.
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[quote=Ruhskins;626244]See I'm sorry but you sound unintelligent here...what part of this post:

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Honestly I would hate to see where we would be at with CB in there.

I think yesterday showed that with a good running game and decent protection JC can manage the game and give us enough from the QB spot to win.[/QUOTE

Tells you that Campbell should be signed after this season? Did he say that? No. No one is, so get over it.
That's a coincidence because you sound unintelligent to me, as well. And rude, too!

If Campbell is good enough to win with, why wouldn't he be signed again?
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Honestly I would hate to see where we would be at with CB in there.

I think yesterday showed that with a good running game and decent protection JC can manage the game and give us enough from the QB spot to win.
Yeah, even though he was inconsistent, this is true.

I really think he can be a above average QB in this league, but the ish he's gone through with this franchise means it won't be here; the 'Skins and him need to part ways. Too bad. I'm confident he's gonna shine in another club that'll take the time to help him get over the heebie-jeebies with which this organization has saddled him.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:09 PM   #39
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What I saw was CP just standing around off to the side in the first half and then in the second he started cheering and getting involved. Not sure how to look at that.
I don't know, everytime the camera panned to him, he was going bonkers. I thought he was extremely supportive given his/team's situation
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That's a coincidence because you sound unintelligent to me, as well. And rude, too!

If Campbell is good enough to win with, why wouldn't he be signed again?
Because the ownership clearly doesn't see him as the QB of the future.

Because right now at best we'll be an 8-8 team, and with the start that we've had Snyder will likely fire Zorn regardless.

Because not only would we need to run the table to get the last wildcard spot, but we would need a whole bunch of people to lose.

So once again, what part of Matty's statement specifically told you that Jason Campbell should be signed next year?
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I don't know, everytime the camera panned to him, he was going bonkers. I thought he was extremely supportive given his/team's situation
If he wants to be supportive of his team, he'll take the #2 RB spot when he returns.
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Yesterday showed me a QB that our coaches did not trust so they put it on the our RB to win the game.
What game were YOU watching? Was it the one where 'a QB that our coaches did not trust' went 9-9 in the 2nd half and led them to a come from behind victory? Just curious.
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Like the write up Smoot. A few things for me...

1) I'm not a fan favorite of Betts/Cartwright but the last two games I'll gladly eat crow. I said it once and will say it again....They both look good when in together, Betts blocking for Rock. Also if nothing else it might give us some trade value later in the year if we are looking to get younger.

2) Levi Jones, yes he's 30, but he only has 7yrs in the league. If he can stay healthy he might be able to help out for another 2-3yrs. We definitly need to get another LT for him to help train and a bonified RT or two. Then take all the other O-lineman we have (who are young) and make them Guards and Centers. Definitly need to pick up a taller Center. Rabach gets bowled over too much and I hate seeing any QB behind him squating so low to take the ball.

3) Roger......wow. He's definitly not a shut down corner. Bites on the first move all the time and I'm not the only person to notice, during the Tampa game the announcers mentioned that very thing. He's great at bump and run and yet sucks at his job when giving a cushion. Blache should simply make him play bump and run the rest of the season. Eveyone else can play zone...Rogers I want you to play bump and run....stick to your man like glue. Otherwise sit him and let the younger guys get experience.
Wouldn’t it be great not to ever hear those words again when talking about the oline? I think Levi is a great midseason addition, I wish we had him months ago and had him start at Right tackle when Chris was still playing, but if we dont go after SEVERAL tackles in the first 4 rounds of the draft I will be disappointed. The problem is o-line players have shitty jersey sales compared to most other players, and its tough for snyder to make them first round picks. He learned that the hard way when he traded everything away to get Samuels years ago.


Campbell squats like that because of Zorn. Zorn forced him to do that last year. It doesn’t look natural to me at all either, but i guess Zorn should know whats hes talking about when it comes to QB play. I dont remember why but i remember Zorn wanting Jason to have a compressed stance. Apparently if you can dodge pads while attempting passes in practice and if you got a compressed stance you will light it up on Sundays. Not sure what JC's problem is.... oh wait a oline that will be great if only they can stay healthy.

Sorry dont want to be a downer, it was a great win, and for possibly the first time ever attending a game i wasnt blacked out and can recall most of the action. No 8 dollar beers for me Mr. Snyder!
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The lower stance is all about JC staying lower and keeping his knees bent so he's in a better position to throw, take off running, whatever. Zorn felt he was playing too tall previously.
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Campbell drops back slowly, he doesn't see the field well, he's indecisive, he has a slow release, he's inaccurate, he has no touch, he throws a flat deep ball, and he's not a leader.
Succinct and accurate.
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