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Old 11-16-2009, 10:44 AM   #16
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I don't get the hype for Shanahan. Plus Dallas isn't a good fit for him. Is he really going to go work for Jones after working for a hands off guy like Bowlen? I don't think we'll see Shanahan in Dallas. It's either going to be here or nowhere.
I am not hyping him, don't really want him here. But Dallas has links, I forget who/how, and Shanahan is a name that both JJ and DS would like to have. Smoot's point of San Diego also makes a lot of sense. He's been at the Raiders and Denver, and probably would be happy to stay in that division.
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:51 AM   #17
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My gut feeling still has Billick here, with guys like Mooch or Martz not too far behind as choices.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:00 AM   #18
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Billick? UGH, i'd rather promote Cerrato to HC.
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Dallas is a strong candidate for Shanahan. But I wouldn't sleep on San Diego.
Please, please, Dallas or San Diego, take Shanny so that we can't.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:14 AM   #20
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I thought Billick as well for a while Smoot. If we get a Shanahan I hope that it's the yougner one in Houston !
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Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?
Interesting you mention that because in reality, we have not heard anyone in the organization say Zorn will not return next year. The only people hyping the Zorn firing have been fans and media types.

When Cerrato anounced Zorn would be the coach for the remainder of the season, he also used the word "beyond" which could imply thinking beyond 2010. As for Gruden, I've never thought he was the man for either the team or the town. Happy he's extended with ESPN.
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Interesting you mention that because in reality, we have not heard anyone in the organization say Zorn will not return next year. The only people hyping the Zorn firing have been fans and media types.

When Cerrato anounced Zorn would be the coach for the remainder of the season, he also used the word "beyond" which could imply thinking beyond 2010. As for Gruden, I've never thought he was the man for either the team or the town. Happy he's extended with ESPN.
Yeah, this thought has come into my mind and scares me. He can't be trusted to call plays, but we would keep him another year? Yes, it IS possible for some reason.

I think we need a housecleaning that includes Cerrato and Zorn.

Shame that Gruden apparently is out of the running, I would have loved to see him here. He IS a great announcer though, he's becoming one of my favorites and helps cancel out Jaws.
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Interesting you mention that because in reality, we have not heard anyone in the organization say Zorn will not return next year. The only people hyping the Zorn firing have been fans and media types.

When Cerrato anounced Zorn would be the coach for the remainder of the season, he also used the word "beyond" which could imply thinking beyond 2010. As for Gruden, I've never thought he was the man for either the team or the town. Happy he's extended with ESPN.
The only way Zorn stays next year is if Snyder can't land Gruden, Cowher,Shannahan, Holmgren, etc... which is becoming increasingly likely right now.
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The only way Zorn stays next year is if Snyder can't land Gruden, Cowher,Shannahan, Holmgren, etc... which is becoming increasingly likely right now.
But logically Zorn would have to be gone before Snyder can attempt to land a coach like you previously named. I wonder if we'd even be having the 'what if' discussion if Denver would have blown our doors off yesterday.

I still say there's no way that Zorn stays. Lewis isn't going to want to return next year and Snyder won't sit idly by and ignore how bad it's been since last October. The only thing that saves Zorn is about 9 more straight wins.
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I think all that the Sherm Lewis situation has done is to prove that Zorn is not a good playcaller while that is where Gruden is far better. I believe Gruden would be a good fit here.I mean hell he won with Al Davis so why not?
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:31 PM   #26
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i'm sure his ESPN contract contains a get-out clause if he gets another HC job... also, pretty positive that zorn is gone... even if the FO had faith in him, which they don't, it would need to be done from a standpoint of getting the bad taste of this season out of the mouths of the fan base...

i also believe that anyone -- even cowher and holmgren -- are possible HC candidates... money talks...
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i'm sure his ESPN contract contains a get-out clause if he gets another HC job... also, pretty positive that zorn is gone... even if the FO had faith in him, which they don't, it would need to be done from a standpoint of getting the bad taste of this season out of the mouths of the fan base...

i also believe that anyone -- even cowher and holmgren -- are possible HC candidates... money talks...
I think the Browns are pretty much going to hand over the organization to Holmgren (from what I heard on either the ESPN or NFLN...can't remember which), so I doubt he'd come here.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:13 PM   #28
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I think the Browns are pretty much going to hand over the organization to Holmgren (from what I heard on either the ESPN or NFLN...can't remember which), so I doubt he'd come here.
oh, i wouldn't put any money on it... just saying we shouldn't rule anyone out because most anyone follows the money... and we have a lot of that here...

also, i think snyder is desperate enough that he might hand over the keys to someone... so, i wouldn't rule out full control guys, either...
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Crazy thought here, but what if the team somehow manages to pull it together down the stretch and finish around .500? Do we still dump Zorn?
Zorn may well be here cause who wants to work for Snyder? Jim Fassell maybe but I don't think any of the high profile coordinators or ex coaches would ever come here.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:29 PM   #30
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My top notch Gruden source reminds me that he's told me for weeks now Gruden's not coming here. I had my doubts briefly though. I don't the specifics of his deal off-hand but an out before the end of next season is very unlikely.

Snyder will, I'm sure, make another very strong push for Shanahan (which means Kyle Shanahan and Bob Slowik as well probably).

Cowher is always a name that's floated around, but I think Snyder has kind of cooled on him

I've never heard Billick's name mentioned quite honestly, but I just have a feeling about him

Mooch's name is often floated around but I think that's more so because he (and Bruce Allen) seem to "consult" often with the Redskins front office. But he really doesn't want to leave the west coast if he doesn't have to.
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