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Old 11-23-2009, 12:19 AM   #61
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Good points all around. I guess you could say this is the point where a great personnel guy comes in...to convince Jones he should sign and start at RT because it's better than sitting at home.

...I can imagine that conversation went something like:

Vinny: Danny wants you to sign a contract and play RT.

Jones: No, I'm a LT and that's the end of it.

Vinny: (sits there not believing someone didn't grant the almighty Snyder his wish).

Conversation over...
That storys similar to what actually happened, however you're missing a few key details.

Vinny: So Levi I hear that you're a pretty good football player. How would you like to come play WR for us?

Jones: No, I'm a LT and thats the end of it.

Vinny: Alright I see, you're a tough negotiator. Ok, how about a chance to play RB and I throw in a contract for the veteran minimum.

Jones: You're crazy. I'm going to hang up now, you call me back when your medication starts to kick in.

Vinny: IGottaSuperBowlRing...Hello? Levi? You there? Sorry Danny, I couldn't get that WR/RB you wanted.

By the way how did Levi play today? I heard that JC faced a lot of pressure today. On a team with Ware that can't be a good thing for Levi.
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:22 PM   #62
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um what? you are implying something that makes absolutely no sense

players dont block any less because of who is behind them....thats ignorant

while blocking may improve over the season due to several reasons it never has anything to do with the players who are carrying the ball

blocking makes the running back, the running back doesnt make the blocking
ever hear of a guy named barry sanders??
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:27 PM   #63
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players dont block any less because of who is behind them....thats ignorant
Uhhhh, I beg to differ. They might put that extra ounce of effort in because 1) they don't like a guy 2) you want to make the new guy have a bit of an easier job or 3) because those guys are getting more carries in practice

If you think that players around other players don't make some guys try harder.. and that nobody takes plays or even games off, you might as well just hang up your cleats as an internet analyst.
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Uhhhh, I beg to differ. They might put that extra ounce of effort in because 1) they don't like a guy 2) you want to make the new guy have a bit of an easier job or 3) because those guys are getting more carries in practice

If you think that players around other players don't make some guys try harder.. and that nobody takes plays or even games off, you might as well just hang up your cleats as an internet analyst.
Agreed. Natural talent only determines a baseline. Factors like motivation, situation, and comradery can help determine weather players play above that baseline or below it. For example pressure can make players play worse then they really are. Desire to play hard for a coach or desire to protect a QB can give players more energy and increase focus, by the same token powerful emotions can also diminish focus and prompt more mistakes then a player who "stays medium." In the end what matters most here is how a particular player deals with emotions.

A book could easily be written on the subject, but in short it isn't inconcievable that lineman can play harder, and consquesntly better, when they respect the guy they're blocking for.
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:40 PM   #65
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yea....he sure made his offensive line look better lol

you are dumb.....in every barry sanders highlight its always him being a one man army behind

he rarely ran behind his blockers and always wanted to bounce it to the outside.....he is very much like reggie bush these days except sanders was much more successful at it

it had nothing to do with him making his offensive line look good or block better lmao
maybe i am dumb, whats this supposed to mean?
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:44 PM   #66
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lol.....that is one of the most ignorant statements ive ever heard

players take plays off.....of course.....

but they dont play any different because a certain player is on the field as opposed to someone else

thats just dumb......wow......just wow
why..... do you..... respond...... like this..... it makes..... no sense

and if you don't think players take plays off then you are an idiot
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Old 11-23-2009, 09:02 PM   #67
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yea....he sure made his offensive line look better lol

you are dumb.....in every barry sanders highlight its always him being a one man army behind

he rarely ran behind his blockers
and always wanted to bounce it to the outside.....he is very much like reggie bush these days except sanders was much more successful at it

it had nothing to do with him making his offensive line look good or block better lmao
Once again you are talking about something that you really don't know anything about because you did not see the relevant game action.

Anyone who actually watched Barry Sanders play live, not just in a highlight reel, knows that he frequently ran behind his blockers. He was one of the greatest backs in NFL history precisely by following and setting up his blocking a lot, although he certainly was very creative on his own, too. To think that someone could put up Barry Sanders' numbers by "rarely running behind blockers" is absolutely ludicrous.

Once again, talking about something that you don't really know has led you into error.
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players take plays off.....of course.....

what you guys are trying to get at is that the offensive linemen want to block for betts and cartwright but not as much for portis

seemed sarcastic

i'm not saying that others may, i just think that they were hitting the holes harder and the o line saw that and started blocking harder, and i don't think that that is so far fetched
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Old 11-23-2009, 09:12 PM   #69
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seemed sarcastic

i'm not saying that others may, i just think that they were hitting the holes harder and the o line saw that and started blocking harder, and i don't think that that is so far fetched
Don't forget that the o-line practiced with Betts often and Portis little.
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Don't forget that the o-line practiced with Betts often and Portis little.
when in minicamps?

btw i totally agree
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seemed sarcastic

i'm not saying that others may, i just think that they were hitting the holes harder and the o line saw that and started blocking harder, and i don't think that that is so far fetched
I don't think it's that far-fetched. I think you get a little more pumped up when you're getting results.
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Re: Let's Talk Levi Jones and Offensive Line

I've said this before, but anyone else think that one of the reasons we haven't been drafting the O-line for the last several years has been because of Bugel? I have this weird feeling Bugel told them not to waste high picks on the O-line, because he could "coach them up."

Just wondering.
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I've said this before, but anyone else think that one of the reasons we haven't been drafting the O-line for the last several years has been because of Bugel? I have this weird feeling Bugel told them not to waste high picks on the O-line, because he could "coach them up."

Just wondering.
Wow, where would anyone get that sort of idea? I don't believe that for a minute. Joe Bugel couldn't have lasted this long in the NFL if he tells the front office not to draft linemen; that he can coach anybody. The man is one of the best coaches of offensive linemen in history. You don't get to that point by trying to convince front offices that you can turn garbage into Pro Bowlers. After 32 years in the NFL, Buges has had to tell lots of people that they aren't cut out for football.
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I've said this before, but anyone else think that one of the reasons we haven't been drafting the O-line for the last several years has been because of Bugel? I have this weird feeling Bugel told them not to waste high picks on the O-line, because he could "coach them up."

Just wondering.
I can't imagine ANY position coach not wanting better players.
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I can't imagine ANY position coach not wanting better players.
LOL yeah right?

Buges to the front office: Hey guys I'm fine over here, don't worrry about me. Do I want a first round OL? Nah, just load me up with some undrafted scrubs and I'll be good to go. Should we sign some free agents? You kidding me I've got guys like Heyer and Armstrong to coach up!
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