Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots

GTripp0012 · 11-27-2009, 08:46 PM

One final note on the defense:

Our big defensive weakness, far more than anything else, is defending the other team's tight end. But as deadly a force as the TE can be against the Redskins, it's not like they ever break it for a ton of yards or points without help from the outside or the running game. So while it's a clear weakness that is really obvious against the pass, it's not a weakness that's ever going to show up in the conventional stats.

Which may mean that defending TEs is overrated. I'm open to all ideas with this, because I can't think of an instance where this has bit us in the balls and decided the game. It may just be a trivial fact: that the Redskins can't cover any tight ends, if they happen to go out to receive a pass.

skins89moss · 11-28-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Actually, yes. I stated this in another thread. I believe while Zorn's play calling has been less than desirable, or to be blunt shitty, this team has responded well to him over the past few weeks. In other words, I don't think there is a leadership crisis at Redskins Park. The spirit and resolve they've shown to compete and win can be attributed to Jim Zorn. I think coach Zorn has grown some and so has the team. The big question within any coach/team relationship is will this team go out and play for him. There's no question in my mind that this current Redskins team believes in their head coach. And to take it step further, it's pretty clear that the defense believes in Greg Blache too.

That said, I think Dan Snyder has a tough decision to make regarding Zorn this offseason. I don't think Zorn not being here next year is gimme like it was three or four weeks ago. It might be popular and resonate with the fan base. But unless you're making some sweeping changes, particarly in the front office and can still maintain a sense of cohesion on the field, you're really starting from square one. Unfortunately, we simply have some personnel limitations, at the moment, that's difficult for a guy like him to coach around. We can bring in the next sexy pick to "turn things around", but I'm just as skeptical of that happening as I am of Jim Zorn staying or going.

I think this has been a good assessment period for all parties involved. We know Zorn's limitations and what they are. The big question is, if they decide to keep him, can and will the organization build around them and turn it into a strength rather than start from scratch.

As much as it pains me to say and admit it, it just might wise for Dan Snyder to keep Jim Zorn for another year.

You know what bro I think you maybe right on. If we can keep Sherman Lewis as the O-Coordinator and bring in Mike Holmegren as the GM this would make all the sense in the world. I know Synder loves Vinny so not sure what Synder will do. I do think sometimes the best move is making no move at all to the coaching staff. See Bengals last season to this year.

rbanerjee23 · 11-28-2009, 01:29 AM

Fire Vinny Cerrato and all will be right with the Redskins

Bigreds77 · 11-28-2009, 07:58 AM

Troy Aikmen & Phil Simms both say that JC could be better if he had more time to throw the ball.

Paintrain · 11-28-2009, 05:02 PM

I like what I've seen in recent weeks from Davis, Thomas and Kelly. I am looking forward to seeing what Thomas and Kelly on the outside with Moss in the slot.

Redskin Warrior · 11-28-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by skins89moss

You know what bro I think you maybe right on. If we can keep Sherman Lewis as the O-Coordinator and bring in Mike Holmegren as the GM this would make all the sense in the world. I know Synder loves Vinny so not sure what Synder will do. I do think sometimes the best move is making no move at all to the coaching staff. See Bengals last season to this year.

I agree this would make sense and give the team stability

12thMan · 11-29-2009, 06:27 PM

Thought this thread was worthy of bumping, since there's nothing new to say. Minus DHall being out, I think the same playes turned in another solid performance.

I really like what we're beginnining to see out of Davis, Thomas, and Kelly. Fred Davis in particular, whom DRave is a big fan of, will team up very well with Cooley next season. He's pretty nimble on his feet for a big guy.

DynamiteRave · 11-29-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Thought this thread was worthy of bumping, since there's nothing new to say. Minus DHall being out, I think the same playes turned in another solid performance.

I really like what we're beginnining to see out of Davis, Thomas, and Kelly. Fred Davis in particular, whom DRave is a big fan of, will team up very well with Cooley next season. He's pretty nimble on his feet for a big guy.

lol I do love me some Fred Davis.

12thMan · 11-29-2009, 06:45 PM

I'm crying over here.

T.O.Killa · 11-29-2009, 10:13 PM

All three draft choices from last year looked great. Thomas, Kelly and Davis.

GridIron26 · 11-29-2009, 10:41 PM

This gives Redskins FO another reason to keep Campbell, he's starting to develop rapport with the 3 guys.. We would disrupt good thing going on between those guys, especially when they would have time together during off the season.. Also, whoever will be the offense coordinator next year, he better figure out how to utilize Cooley and Davis together on the field at same time..

T.O.Killa · 11-29-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

This gives Redskins FO another reason to keep Campbell, he's starting to develop rapport with the 3 guys.. We would disrupt good thing going on between those guys, especially when they would have time together during off the season.. Also, whoever will be the offense coordinator next year, he better figure out how to utilize Cooley and Davis together on the field at same time..

OMG, you are not serious.

mlmdub130 · 11-29-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigreds77

Troy Aikmen & Phil Simms both say that JC could be better if he had more time to throw the ball.

two guys opinions i could care less about, phil simms should talk to chris and see if he is actaully left handed

T.O.Killa · 11-29-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

two guys opinions i could care less about, phil simms should talk to chris and see if he is actaully left handed

Yeah.

12thMan · 11-29-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

OMG, you are not serious.

Yeah, I don't really buy that either. Pros don't need forever to develop chemistry with their receivers. Exhibit A: Brett Favre.

11-27-2009, 08:46 PM	#61
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,152	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots One final note on the defense: Our big defensive weakness, far more than anything else, is defending the other team's tight end. But as deadly a force as the TE can be against the Redskins, it's not like they ever break it for a ton of yards or points without help from the outside or the running game. So while it's a clear weakness that is really obvious against the pass, it's not a weakness that's ever going to show up in the conventional stats. Which may mean that defending TEs is overrated. I'm open to all ideas with this, because I can't think of an instance where this has bit us in the balls and decided the game. It may just be a trivial fact: that the Redskins can't cover any tight ends, if they happen to go out to receive a pass. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

11-28-2009, 01:29 AM	#63
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,320	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots Fire Vinny Cerrato and all will be right with the Redskins __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

11-28-2009, 07:58 AM	#64
Bigreds77 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 185	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots Troy Aikmen & Phil Simms both say that JC could be better if he had more time to throw the ball.

11-28-2009, 05:02 PM	#65
Paintrain Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 42 Posts: 4,535	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots I like what I've seen in recent weeks from Davis, Thomas and Kelly. I am looking forward to seeing what Thomas and Kelly on the outside with Moss in the slot. __________________ No Pressure-No Diamonds! Go Catch Your Dreams!

11-29-2009, 06:27 PM	#67
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,366	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots Thought this thread was worthy of bumping, since there's nothing new to say. Minus DHall being out, I think the same playes turned in another solid performance. I really like what we're beginnining to see out of Davis, Thomas, and Kelly. Fred Davis in particular, whom DRave is a big fan of, will team up very well with Cooley next season. He's pretty nimble on his feet for a big guy.

11-29-2009, 06:45 PM	#69
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,366	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots I'm crying over here.

11-29-2009, 10:13 PM	#70
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 1,939	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots All three draft choices from last year looked great. Thomas, Kelly and Davis.

11-29-2009, 10:41 PM	#71
GridIron26 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,556	Re: Still Encouraged; Still Love My Skins: Bright Spots This gives Redskins FO another reason to keep Campbell, he's starting to develop rapport with the 3 guys.. We would disrupt good thing going on between those guys, especially when they would have time together during off the season.. Also, whoever will be the offense coordinator next year, he better figure out how to utilize Cooley and Davis together on the field at same time..

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