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Old 11-28-2009, 10:33 AM   #16
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Re: Great Article that sums up the Redskins

Sally's articles about the Redskins continue to sound more and more like a broken record. Hardly ever does she reveal anything new, or anything that hasn't been discussed to the extent of exhaustion.

On more than one ocasion she has taken the liberty to discuss just how dysfunctional we are as an organization, that's not about to change just because she continues to write about it. All of our problems have been well documented, to continue beating the dead horse is over-kill. It's time to give it a break SJ/enough already.
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Old 11-28-2009, 12:02 PM   #17
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Are you saying that Campbell has a good running game, solid o line, and great recievers. You can't use that excuse for cutler and say it doesn't pertain to Jason.
Jay cutler has put up pro bowl numbers in past years. Jc has never done that. If it wasn't for Todd in 07 we wouldn't have made the playoffs. Campbell is a decent player but not a starter in this league. He's 27 so u would think he would be in his prime.. And this is his prime 10 tds 9 ints
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Old 11-28-2009, 12:07 PM   #18
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I still dont why people think Campbell is a terrible QB. He is better than 80% of the QBs in REDSKINS HISTORY! Who were the best QB we have had in DC, Sammy Baugh, Sonny Jurgenson, Doug Williams, Joe Thiesmann Mark Rypien afte that nobody. Campbell may not be an elite QB but until we get someone better on the roster we need resign him and dont bet the farm on a draft pick or trade for some gunslinging turnover machine like Cutler. I have even heard some folks pinning for Michael Vick, he can through hard but he cant hit water from a submarine.
RE-SIGN Campbell his numbers are solid on a hollow team!
Well that's really not saying much because we have never had a legit franchise qb..., and y would we resign jc if we are cleaning house? Campbell has a horrible record as a starter. Y would we keep him to set us back even longer?
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:46 PM   #19
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Sally's articles about the Redskins continue to sound more and more like a broken record. Hardly ever does she reveal anything new, or anything that hasn't been discussed to the extent of exhaustion.

On more than one ocasion she has taken the liberty to discuss just how dysfunctional we are as an organization, that's not about to change just because she continues to write about it. All of our problems have been well documented, to continue beating the dead horse is over-kill. It's time to give it a break SJ/enough already.
Yes, Jenkins is a broken record, but as long as the team continues to repeat the same mistakes year in and year out, why should Jenkins change her criticism of it?
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:56 PM   #20
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Jay cutler has put up pro bowl numbers in past years. Jc has never done that. If it wasn't for Todd in 07 we wouldn't have made the playoffs. Campbell is a decent player but not a starter in this league. He's 27 so u would think he would be in his prime.. And this is his prime 10 tds 9 ints
Whine. Whine. Whine. Whine.

Cutler is having a garbage year. We kept Campbell because you need to develop a better option with valuable players never hitting the market. Cutler only hit the market because his team didn't think he was a primary reason for their success. That's it.

We should try to draft and develop some talent at the quarterback position, but Campbell is the starter for the forseeable future. We'll have the option to go elsewhere at the end of the year, but we probably won't. Depends how the draft falls.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:55 AM   #21
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Couple of issues. One, what is she talking about when she says that Hanyesworth and Hall are not more important to the team than Fletcher? No shit. The article's thesis is that the Redskins hurt themselves by pursing big name free agents, but last time I checked all three of those guys were high profile free agent signings. Does she realize that we did not draft Fletcher? Does she also not realize that Haynesworth has been worth every penny so far? Is she saying that our free agent signings have been bad, except when they've been good? Because that's pretty goddamned dumb.
You think London Fletcher was a 'high profile, big name free agent' ?? The guy who has been overlooked his entire career for the Pro Bowl? The guy who was castoff by the pathetic Rams because they thought he was old and done? Fletcher was a wonderful pickup for us, but signings like him are far fewer compared to the busts we've brought in and traded valuable draft picks for.

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Second, the best offensive linemen in the league are not searching for loose change, they are paid as highly as anyone except a handfull of future HOF QB's. Remember a mediocre guard like Dockery getting 50 million a few seasons ago? This is the kind of throw away comment that undermines her entire argument by making it look like she doesn't have a good understanding of the NFL.
Are you seriously trying to argue that offensive linemen in this league are on the same pay scale as QBs, WRs, or running backs? The very best in the league are paid well, like Hutchinson or a handful of left tackles, but if you're trying to say that the vast majority of linemen in the league are anywhere near the level of pay that the divas that Snyder covets command, then you're denying reality.

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Third, her analysis of Campbell is at best inchoate. If her point was that Campbell is probably about as good as Cutler and Sanchez and that we are better off having him and Orakpo than either of those guys, fine, I agree. But she seems to be saying the Redskins should be resigning him. OK, that's not a position that is widely held (as far as I know we weren't "outbid' for Cutler, Josh McDaniels didn't think Campbell was someone he could work with) but if that is what you think fine. But you have to do more than trot out his mediocre QB rating and talk about how hard he tries.

We all know the Redskins have big problems, but that's no excuse for printing spaghetti noodle logic and outright falsehood in a newspaper.
All she's saying is that Snyderatto would have bumbled themselves into another inept personnel decision by trying so desperately to get Cutler or Sanchez. The guy that our dork of a front office tried to get rid of, erratic and inconsistent as he's been, has actually outperformed them so far. And they haven't a clue that the biggest reason he and the rest of the offense has struggled this year is due to the unit that they apparently thought was just fine: the O-line. But obviously, that fits the pattern that Lil' Danny strives for -- recklessly toss cash out to the bling-wearing superstars while ignoring the heart, sole, "spit and bailing wire" type guys who form the glue of the team together.

What's amazing to me is to listen to some of the Snyder/Vinny supporters long for the glory days of this franchise, while the current one stands in direct, philosophical opposition to everything that winning organization stood for.

I say right on to Sally Jenkins and anyone else who continues to drive Lil' Danny and Vinny to the wall they so richly deserve to be nailed to UNTIL THEY GET A GODDAMNED CLUE.
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I think you're mistaken about London Fletcher and the Rams. He left as a free-agent right after the Rams had been two their second Super Bowl in a row
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You think London Fletcher was a 'high profile, big name free agent' ?? The guy who has been overlooked his entire career for the Pro Bowl? The guy who was castoff by the pathetic Rams because they thought he was old and done? Fletcher was a wonderful pickup for us, but signings like him are far fewer compared to the busts we've brought in and traded valuable draft picks for.



Are you seriously trying to argue that offensive linemen in this league are on the same pay scale as QBs, WRs, or running backs? The very best in the league are paid well, like Hutchinson or a handful of left tackles, but if you're trying to say that the vast majority of linemen in the league are anywhere near the level of pay that the divas that Snyder covets command, then you're denying reality.



All she's saying is that Snyderatto would have bumbled themselves into another inept personnel decision by trying so desperately to get Cutler or Sanchez. The guy that our dork of a front office tried to get rid of, erratic and inconsistent as he's been, has actually outperformed them so far. And they haven't a clue that the biggest reason he and the rest of the offense has struggled this year is due to the unit that they apparently thought was just fine: the O-line. But obviously, that fits the pattern that Lil' Danny strives for -- recklessly toss cash out to the bling-wearing superstars while ignoring the heart, sole, "spit and bailing wire" type guys who form the glue of the team together.

What's amazing to me is to listen to some of the Snyder/Vinny supporters long for the glory days of this franchise, while the current one stands in direct, philosophical opposition to everything that winning organization stood for.

I say right on to Sally Jenkins and anyone else who continues to drive Lil' Danny and Vinny to the wall they so richly deserve to be nailed to UNTIL THEY GET A GODDAMNED CLUE.
One, 25 million for a (then) 32 year old middle linebacker counts as a high profile free agent signing in my book. If it doesn't in your book then that's fine. That's not something we can argue over. But get your facts straight. Fletcher left the Bills to come to the Skins. And although he's never been to the probowl he has been an alternate 8 times. Fletcher could have been like so many of our failed free agent signings (too much money for an overrated, old player) except it worked out. But you can't criticize overpaying for free agents in general and then act like Fletcher was this great signing just because he's played well.

Second, offensive linemen are the third highest paid players in the league by position, behind QBs and Dlinemen respectively. National Football League Football Professional Football Sports Terrell Owens - SI Vault Well ahead of both WR's and RB's (who I think are third from the last) Again, get your facts straight. I hate having to take the time to respond to someone who doesn't even know how to use google. Besides, the original line in question was whether or not the best linemen in the league or scrounging for loose change, which I can assure you, they are not.

Third, well, whatever. You didn't understand my point and I don't feel like explaining it. Have a nice day.
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