Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)

SmootSmack · 12-07-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

VC tried all he could to get Cutler. Allegedly, giving up several high draft picks, right?

VC tried all he could to get Sanchez, giving up multiple draft picks. He couldn't get him.

We were one of the finalists in getting each of the above two. If we would have gotten one of the them, it would have perhaps mortgaged our future even more. More of the same right?

I give VC credit for his record w/ the Skins while he's been here. It's not good. Sure, he gets some credit for some draft picks, but let's face it, Orakpo was a pretty clear pick and even though we've seen some good things the jury is still out of our 3 #2's from two years ago.

If Orakpo was such a clear pick why did other teams pass on him and why are a lot of people here saying we should have taken Oher instead?

People confuse the rumors about trading multiple picks to get Cutler or Sanchez (who I still think will be a very good QB, but that's neither here nor there) with the realities of testing the market for those guys. But that's fine, it is what it is. Cerrato has gotten to a point here (as has Snyder to a large extent) where any success that may lie ahead is deemed as in spite of him instead of in any way thanks to him. This is probably why he needs to go. Even it's for Shanahan (who is not a better solution as head coach/GM than VC-Zorn in my opinion). Just so the fans can believe there's a change being made. Regardless of whether the change is for the better.

skinsfan69 · 12-07-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not so much a smackdown but the timing of AH's injury at the end was awful because we had to use a timeout there and we stopped the clock when the Saints couldn't have

What is the deal w/ this guy? He's ALWAYS getting hurt and he's ALWAYS loafing. For every play he makes he then takes 3 off.

firstdown · 12-07-2009, 09:59 AM

Funny most of you guys bitching about our loss also picked us to loose the game. So why bitch about something you said was going to happen.

redsk1 · 12-07-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Orakpo was such a clear pick why did other teams pass on him and why are a lot of people here saying we should have taken Oher instead?

People confuse the rumors about trading multiple picks to get Cutler or Sanchez (who I still think will be a very good QB, but that's neither here nor there) with the realities of testing the market for those guys. But that's fine, it is what it is. Cerrato has gotten to a point here (as has Snyder to a large extent) where any success that may lie ahead is deemed as in spite of him instead of in any way thanks to him. This is probably why he needs to go. Even it's for Shanahan (who is not a better solution as head coach/GM than VC-Zorn in my opinion). Just so the fans can believe there's a change being made. Regardless of whether the change is for the better.

I think Cutler can be a great qb and Sanchez may too. I just think they were more than "testing the market" though. We almost had Cutler here in DC. It was that close.

VC has done more harm than good though and I can't see how that can be disputed. He's got a bad record, he's got a bad reputation around the league, and he's makes alot of bad decisions. I'm not saying we should just change just to make a change. We should change b/c we want more out of our GM.

Trample the Elderly · 12-07-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

This offense has been built from the outside in. The lack of foresight on the O-line is what I give VC credit for, that and hiring Jim Zorn. Actually, I blame him and DS for a lot. It's a little late to be giving credit to his draft picks when you're 3-9.

tryfuhl · 12-07-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

Agreed but the draft definitely isn't the total picture. Though I'll say the past couple of years has looked better than the 8 before it.. and that's seemingly when Cerrato had the most control. Our young guys are starting to look pretty decent no doubt. Ignoring the line is still a huge issue though, both of them had been, be we've mostly got the D-Line thing figured out. Hopefully we don't wait too long on the LBs and secondary as these will need filling in the not so distant future.

skinsfan69 · 12-07-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know, I know...everyone's life is over because the Redskins at 3-8 lost to the 11-0 Saints thanks to overpaid athletes and management that don't care about winning nearly as much about the Redskins as the fans do. Woe is all of us. Most Redskins fans predicted a devastating loss going into the game, and just as many were hoping for one a) because they wanted Gregg Williams to stick it to the Redskins and b) every loss is a step closer to kicking Cerrato to the curb.

Before we get to the smack down, let's look at some positives: We're only the second team this year to put 30 points up on the board against Genius Williams (so apologies to every Redskins fan out there that was rooting more so for Williams than the Skins today). Devin Thomas had a beast of a game (indirect props to Cerrato for drafting him and Hixon for coaching him). Davis has done a great job since Cooley went down being Campbell's go-to guy when he needs one. I'm really becoming a big Ganther fan. He's not a starter (meaning 25+ carries/game) but he knows what to do out there and he does it well.

And of course Jason Campbell had another very strong performance (except for that INT)

The Redskins have lost the last three game by seven points...combined. It doesn't get more frustrating than that. But if there's a positive here it's that the last two games have been the best offensive performances we've had since probably last September. And we're doing it with guys like Thomas, Ganther, and Davis leading the way...not Randle El, Portis, and Cooley.

Still, it's time to lay the smack down.

Laron Landry For every spectacular play...he screws up on five basic plays. I'd rather he be consistently solid then occasionally awesome.

The Officiating I'd rather they just be consistent

Shaun Suisham Truthfully, even before the field goal (which I never imagined he'd miss) I was hoping the Redskins would be a little more aggressive in the red zone after the DT facemask. But still, even with the conservative playcalling and the high snap there's no excuse for yet another miss in the clutch like that for Suisham. I don't like kneejerk reactions but this is a recurring situation it seems with Suisham...is it time to cut him and just sign Rayner back for the remainder of the year.

It was a frustrating loss for sure, but most of never even gave them a chance to be in it long enough to even be a frustrating loss.

Landry simply needs to be sat down. The coaches need to put their foot down on this guy. Let him play teams for a while. He's not mature, he undisciplined, he can't tackle and he acts like a freakin 13 year old.

KLHJ2 · 12-07-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know, I know...everyone's life is over because the Redskins at 3-8 lost to the 11-0 Saints thanks to overpaid athletes and management that don't care about winning nearly as much about the Redskins as the fans do. Woe is all of us. Most Redskins fans predicted a devastating loss going into the game, and just as many were hoping for one a) because they wanted Gregg Williams to stick it to the Redskins and b) every loss is a step closer to kicking Cerrato to the curb.

Before we get to the smack down, let's look at some positives: We're only the second team this year to put 30 points up on the board against Genius Williams (so apologies to every Redskins fan out there that was rooting more so for Williams than the Skins today). Devin Thomas had a beast of a game (indirect props to Cerrato for drafting him and Hixon for coaching him). Davis has done a great job since Cooley went down being Campbell's go-to guy when he needs one. I'm really becoming a big Ganther fan. He's not a starter (meaning 25+ carries/game) but he knows what to do out there and he does it well.

And of course Jason Campbell had another very strong performance (except for that INT)

The Redskins have lost the last three game by seven points...combined. It doesn't get more frustrating than that. But if there's a positive here it's that the last two games have been the best offensive performances we've had since probably last September. And we're doing it with guys like Thomas, Ganther, and Davis leading the way...not Randle El, Portis, and Cooley.

Still, it's time to lay the smack down.

Laron Landry For every spectacular play...he screws up on five basic plays. I'd rather he be consistently solid then occasionally awesome.

The Officiating I'd rather they just be consistent

Shaun Suisham Truthfully, even before the field goal (which I never imagined he'd miss) I was hoping the Redskins would be a little more aggressive in the red zone after the DT facemask. But still, even with the conservative playcalling and the high snap there's no excuse for yet another miss in the clutch like that for Suisham. I don't like kneejerk reactions but this is a recurring situation it seems with Suisham...is it time to cut him and just sign Rayner back for the remainder of the year.

It was a frustrating loss for sure, but most of never even gave them a chance to be in it long enough to even be a frustrating loss.

I did, damn it.

Mattyk · 12-07-2009, 10:53 AM

I want to lay some smack on the football itself. What was up with that punt hitting Barnes? I mean of all the shit luck!

Ruhskins · 12-07-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I want to lay some smack on the football itself. What was up with that punt hitting Barnes? I mean of all the shit luck!

Or the ball going right into the hands of Meacham after he stripped Moore. In the other 99.9% of the time, that ball falls to the ground.

Speaking of fumbles, Florio makes a good argument about the fumble situations and the officials calling down by contact. I also think that calling a timeout during OT in that situation is pretty much a challenge. Oh well.

Week 13 Morning Aftermath | ProFootballTalk.com

Mattyk · 12-07-2009, 11:14 AM

It's just funny how the ball always seems to take a good bounce for the other team on a fumble, or it rolls out of bounds.

TheMalcolmConnection · 12-07-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's just funny how the ball always seems to take a good bounce for the other team on a fumble, or it rolls out of bounds.

I feel the same way. It was almost magic how the ball floated in the air for Meacham (on the INT-fumble).

over the mountain · 12-07-2009, 11:29 AM

^^^ yeah the point florio is making has always struck almost everyone as odd. we benefited from this "keep playing after the whistle" rule a few times this year, got brunt by it yesterday.

it just makes no sense to have this rule in which players are supposed to ignore the whistle. so many times a season we see this potential fumble whistled down by contact, 23 players are standing around looking confused and 1 player picks the ball up and runs it all the way to the endzone with no one chasing him.

why have such an important play like a turnover be determined after a whistle blows a play dead? if im a coach, i would tell my players to disregard every whistle when it comes to down by contact plays when it comes to any loose ball that slips out.

take the ARE catch where he was tackled hard, ball came loose then ARE was lying on the ground in pain. the play was close so why couldnt a D player come flying in and blast ARE while hes on the ground and recover the ball? the ref whistled the ball dead and was pointing that ARE was down by contact, but arent players supposed to ignore this whistle? i mean, the ball came loose very quickly?

this rule makes no sense in how rules are defined. this is really a rule against the rules.

calia · 12-07-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Or the ball going right into the hands of Meacham after he stripped Moore. In the other 99.9% of the time, that ball falls to the ground.

Speaking of fumbles, Florio makes a good argument about the fumble situations and the officials calling down by contact. I also think that calling a timeout during OT in that situation is pretty much a challenge. Oh well.

Week 13 Morning Aftermath | ProFootballTalk.com

It was. In OT, coaches do not have challenge flags, and Payton said on the Opening Drive (Sirius radio) this morning that he called the challenge to give the officials time to review the play and see if it was a fumble. AND he got the timeout back when it was ruled a fumble (which surprised him, although it isn't really consequential). But he said he called the timeout knowing that in OT if the officials have a close call to make and time, they will generally review the play.

tdSKINS1 · 12-07-2009, 11:56 AM

The Saints did have 3 defensive backs out for the game but yes DT had an awesome performance. You could see his confidence building every play he made. I'm very excited for his future here.

12-07-2009, 09:59 AM	#108
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,281	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints) Funny most of you guys bitching about our loss also picked us to loose the game. So why bitch about something you said was going to happen.

12-07-2009, 10:53 AM	#114
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,199	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints) I want to lay some smack on the football itself. What was up with that punt hitting Barnes? I mean of all the shit luck! __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-07-2009, 11:14 AM	#116
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,199	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints) It's just funny how the ball always seems to take a good bounce for the other team on a fumble, or it rolls out of bounds. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-07-2009, 11:29 AM	#118
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: baltimore Posts: 2,690	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints) ^^^ yeah the point florio is making has always struck almost everyone as odd. we benefited from this "keep playing after the whistle" rule a few times this year, got brunt by it yesterday. it just makes no sense to have this rule in which players are supposed to ignore the whistle. so many times a season we see this potential fumble whistled down by contact, 23 players are standing around looking confused and 1 player picks the ball up and runs it all the way to the endzone with no one chasing him. why have such an important play like a turnover be determined after a whistle blows a play dead? if im a coach, i would tell my players to disregard every whistle when it comes to down by contact plays when it comes to any loose ball that slips out. take the ARE catch where he was tackled hard, ball came loose then ARE was lying on the ground in pain. the play was close so why couldnt a D player come flying in and blast ARE while hes on the ground and recover the ball? the ref whistled the ball dead and was pointing that ARE was down by contact, but arent players supposed to ignore this whistle? i mean, the ball came loose very quickly? this rule makes no sense in how rules are defined. this is really a rule against the rules. __________________ Fails to lock onto the defender, at times, preferring to violently shove his target to the ground and look for others.

12-07-2009, 11:56 AM	#120
tdSKINS1 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Altavista Virginia Age: 23 Posts: 709	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints) The Saints did have 3 defensive backs out for the game but yes DT had an awesome performance. You could see his confidence building every play he made. I'm very excited for his future here. __________________ #21 Never Forget HOKIES!

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