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Old 12-09-2009, 09:38 AM   #31
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Re: What's Up With Flozell Adams and the Cowboys?

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is that the way the rule is written? i thought i read/heard that nyg declined the penalty for whatever reason on the second half kickoff
on a NFL coverage of it I thought they said it isn't carried over. Either way it makes no sense, why would NY decline a 15 yard penalty on a kickoff, or why would it not be enforced at the start of the half.
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:41 AM   #32
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Re: What's Up With Flozell Adams and the Cowboys?

coughlin said something along the lines of "to clear up any confusion, we didnt not decline the penalty nor were we even given a choice".
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if they didn't not decline, does that mean they did decline, or that they stayed quiet
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coughlin said something along the lines of "to clear up any confusion, we didnt not decline the penalty nor were we even given a choice".
interesting to say the least
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i don't get it, yeah the play was dead so there isn't one more play, but maybe i'm imaging things but i seem to recall games where a personal fould was carried over into the second half, i almost feel like it has happened to the skins in the past few years
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:55 AM   #36
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After Adams shoved Tuck to the ground just after the whistle blew on the final play before intermission, the Cowboys' left tackle was assessed a 15-yard personal foul penalty. But because it occurred on the final play of a half, it was automatically declined, according to NFL rules.

That meant the Cowboys didn't lose 15 yards, even on the kickoff to open the second half. And since Adams - whom Tuck called "a dirtbag" and "a coward" after the game - wasn't ejected, his cheap-shot hit was essentially not penalized at all. "To not have some kind of immediate officiating response, there's something that needs to be addressed there," Coughlin said Monday. "There was no eviction, no penalty assessment, nothing."

Coughlin expressed his concerns to Mike Pereira, the NFL's director of officiating, Monday morning. Pereira had already reviewed the play, and according to a league spokesman the NFL is conducting a "routine" disciplinary review, too.



Read more: Giants' Tom Coughlin calls for NFL's response to Flozell Adams' shove
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automatically declined huh, well what the hell would have happened if it was the last play of the game???
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i guess by the refs calling it a personal foul, and not unnecessary roughness, they determined the play was still "live" even though it was well after the whistle
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if they didn't not decline, does that mean they did decline, or that they stayed quiet
lol . . . i stand by what i wrote.
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Re: What's Up With Flozell Adams and the Cowboys?

Here is another look at it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/sp.../08giants.html

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Officials announced that the penalty was declined by the Giants. The league said Monday that this was in accordance with Rule 4, Section 8, Article 2, Paragraph (c).

It stipulates: “If there is a foul by the offense, there shall be no extension of the period” if the foul takes place on the last play of a half as time expires.

But another section of the rule, Paragraph (d), says a personal foul after the first half “shall be enforced on the ensuing kickoff.”
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