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Old 12-13-2009, 07:57 PM   #31
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I'm on the "rebuild the o-line, keep Campbell" argument but it worries me everytime I hear the media giving Zorn and Campbell praise for the way they've handled things lately and then they say it's a shame neither will be here next year after everything that's gone down. I think we have much major problems than qb, and I'd hate to see him leave after it looks like everything is finally coming together after everything that went down.
Ever since the 2nd half of the Falcons game the team has been playing like it should have all year (yes, there's been lots of screw ups, but they've been in every game). At this point I would say, keep Campbell and Zorn, rebuild the OL, promote Jerry Gray to DC and Sherm Lewis to OC and of course FIRE VINNY!!
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Old 12-13-2009, 07:58 PM   #32
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I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.
I disagree. And while I agree with your point about pressure situations and that, certainly, Campbell deserves no special sense of entitlement based on a 4-game stretch where he's ultimately 1-3, I don't think he ever controlled his fate here. That is to say: it, in fact, was pre-ordained.

Ultimately, his struggles in pressure situations boil down mostly to small sample size, but it would be much easier to write them off had he gone even 1-2 in those last three games.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:00 PM   #33
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Still want to see Campbell step it up in more pressure situations. As in last Sunday when he ended up throwing that critical late game interception against the Saints.

I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.

I think Campbell has benefited from a few things, including Sherman Lewis coming on board and Chris Meidt working more closely with him in recent weeks. Meidt the key to Campbell's success-who knew?

But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year
I remember when Shockey was traded it was a great help to Eli. That was for a different reason, he was demanding the ball and limiting Eli. But the point seems valid a good/great TE is a security blanket for a team, and a qb. Losing him opened up a lot of other options.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:04 PM   #34
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Maybe the most indicting thing about Zorny: it does appear that Vinny built some sort of a fringe playoff team here.

Now, though that might sound like heresy, it's probably completely unfair to assume that Zorn should have known that the right moves involved not playing Portis, moving the focus of the offense away from Moss, playing Fred Davis and Devin Thomas, and not putting so much faith in a defense that we just poured even more mega bucks into. There's no coach who would have figured this out in time to start 4-2 instead of 2-4. But, again, that's not really Cerrato's fault, is it?
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:06 PM   #35
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But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year
On this point, we're in complete agreement. And there's no way this could have happened without injuries to our safety blankets, unfortunately. When he comes back, Cooley is going to have to find a new niche in this offense as starting TE, who doesn't command all the defensive attention, but still needs to produce to his contract.
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Still want to see Campbell step it up in more pressure situations. As in last Sunday when he ended up throwing that critical late game interception against the Saints.

I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.

I think Campbell has benefited from a few things, including Sherman Lewis coming on board and Chris Meidt working more closely with him in recent weeks. Meidt the key to Campbell's success-who knew?

But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year

Well said Smack. I don't see how anyone who knows anything at all about football cannot see the difference in the way this team has played since the second half of the Atlanta game. Zorn, with whatever defeciencies he may have is keeping this team together and playing hard, he deserves his share of credit for being able to acomplish that. I have been proud of the way this team has playes the last few weeks.
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Old 12-13-2009, 08:29 PM   #37
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I'm starting to really believe that it's imperative we sign Campbell; he's improving every game, all after Lewis became our "offense coordinator" but we definitely have to give other two coaches some credits too.. I won't be able to fathom if Vinny doesn't try to resign Campbell and draft a #1 LT; the pieces are there but we just need to adjust a little bit with an additional new lineman..
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On this point, we're in complete agreement. And there's no way this could have happened without injuries to our safety blankets, unfortunately. When he comes back, Cooley is going to have to find a new niche in this offense as starting TE, who doesn't command all the defensive attention, but still needs to produce to his contract.
I'd like to see how you cover Davis and Cooley and the field at the same time. Better yet I'd like to see us be smart in the way we make that work. Davis has proven he is a starting caliber TE in this league. He is going to have to be on the field.
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I'm starting to really believe that it's imperative we sign Campbell; he's improving every game, all after Lewis became our "offense coordinator" but we definitely have to give other two coaches some credits too.. I won't be able to fathom if Vinny doesn't try to resign Campbell and draft a #1 LT; the pieces are there but we just need to adjust a little bit with an additional new lineman..

GridIron - I agree except for one word in your post - you needed to say linmen not lineman - this team needs a new LT, RT, C and RG. Samuels is most likely to retire and you cannot count on Randy Thomas being able to play a whole year with as many serious injuries a he has had now. Heyer is "just a guy" who does not scare any defense and Rabach is getting beat like a red headed stepchild too often. Jason Campbell is lucky he is still able to walk and the beating he is taking makes it all the more important that at least two starters if not 3 are found in the offseason. Dockery is your only mainstay on this line and he is starting to get up in years as well but we can live with him.
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Re: Campbell Needs To Be Cut

draft clausen and keep jc til clausen ready or if jc can actually keep this up all the way through next season
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:09 PM   #41
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Keep Jason and lets build a solid O-Line around him. If we draft another qb we are going to rebuild at a minimum of 2-3 years. Personally, I am sick and tired of rebuilding.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:28 PM   #42
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...some slack. He's played very well since Sherm Lewis started calling plays.. Coincidence? I think not.
I also think it's been helpful that Zorn has had more time to work with him.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:31 PM   #43
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I got a question.
Do you all Resign Levi Jones and keep him as our LT and Draft a really good tackle in the first round like Russell Okung and put him as a RT?
Why not, he's proven to be better than Heyer. At least he adds some depth.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:34 PM   #44
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He's no Joe, but he is improving, showing some.......fire! Good enough to warrant consideration......if Hangin' tough, buying time, etc
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GridIron - I agree except for one word in your post - you needed to say linmen not lineman - this team needs a new LT, RT, C and RG. Samuels is most likely to retire and you cannot count on Randy Thomas being able to play a whole year with as many serious injuries a he has had now. Heyer is "just a guy" who does not scare any defense and Rabach is getting beat like a red headed stepchild too often. Jason Campbell is lucky he is still able to walk and the beating he is taking makes it all the more important that at least two starters if not 3 are found in the offseason. Dockery is your only mainstay on this line and he is starting to get up in years as well but we can live with him.
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