BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

SmootSmack · 12-17-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

I was listening to ESPN980 and they were saying that Allen was being named VP & GM.

VP also? Interesting. Doesn't preclude Shanahan or some other big-name from being President I suppose.

I guess one other option is one more year with Zorn, his contract ends and then you go after someone in 2011?

A lot going on. A lot

TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS · 12-17-2009, 10:15 AM

**** YES!

heard the news about cerrato on the radio en route to work. after a couple minutes of celebration i pulled off on the shoulder and set up the gameday flags. i got a honk of approval before i even got back into the cab! ahahaha.

Defensewins · 12-17-2009, 10:17 AM

The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it.
I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins.
Danny loves that.
I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man. I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions.
Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for.
I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?

warpaint · 12-17-2009, 10:22 AM

Jay Glazer in 15 minutes on 106.7

pg86 · 12-17-2009, 10:23 AM

I'd say its a great day but...I just recieved an alert chris henry has died...

skinsfaninok · 12-17-2009, 10:24 AM

Lol WTF is happening???? Is gruden our guy?

celts32 · 12-17-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

VP also? Interesting. Doesn't preclude Shanahan or some other big-name from being President I suppose.

I guess one other option is one more year with Zorn, his contract ends and then you go after someone in 2011?

A lot going on. A lot

I can't see Snyder doing this now to turn around and bring Zorn back for another year. Although if they can't land Gruden or Shanahan I wouldn't be opposed to it either.

This is probably not the thread to discuss it but i think Greg Blache is a bigger problem then Zorn. Our defense is no where near good enough for the cap dollars we spend on it. This defense was supposed to be dominant and it's anything but. Just saying...I am not trying to hyjack the thread.

Monkeydad · 12-17-2009, 10:25 AM

Decided to do a little reading on Allen's resume as a refersher. I'm impressed.

Cerrato out as Redskins boss - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN

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Vinny Cerrato is out in Washington and the Redskins are turning to a name that has been largely under the radar but will keep it in the family.

The Washington Redskins announced Thursday that Cerrato has stepped down as executive vice president of football operations.

Redskins coaches were told the team is now in talks with former Bucs and Raiders head honcho Bruce Allen to replace Cerrato, FOXSports.com has learned.

It is unclear what job title Allen will be given if they lock him up, but his brother George Jr. is a big player already in Washington, D.C. Their father was legendary coach George Allen.

It’s unclear who the team interviewed to satisfy the Rooney Rule or if such an interview has taken place yet. They cannot hire Allen until a minority candidate is interviewed for the position.

Cerrato has long been team owner Daniel Snyder’s right-hand man but has been highly criticized within league circles. It was widely assumed that whomever Snyder wanted to rescue his team would want Cerrato out.

Cerrato had held his VP responsibilities for the past two years, and previously served in five different roles beginning in 1999.

In a statement, Cerrato said he has had conversations with Snyder recently regarding the next steps for the club.

“We agreed that the franchise needs someone different in this position,” Cerrato said in a statement released by the team. “I’m thankful to Dan Snyder and other members of his ownership team for the opportunities I’ve been given over the years.”

If they lock up Allen, an entirely new questuion arises regarding Jon Gruden. Allen and Gruden worked together with the Raiders and Bucs. Though Gruden has re-upped with ESPN, there is a strong connection between the two.

Mike Shanahan's name has long been strongly linked to that coaching job.

Sports: Time to give Allen credit

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Time to give Allen credit

Bruce Allen, along with Jon Gruden, deserves plenty of credit for the Bucs huge turnaround

By John Romano
Published December 18, 2007

[Brendan Fitterer | Times]

Bucs general manager Bruce Allen has overseen a turnover of 22 players since the end of last season.
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TAMPA - In another place, they would be talking of his genius. They would howl about the sack master he found working the door at Best Buy and the kick returner he pulled out of nowhere.

In another time, they would be talking of his nerve. They would wonder how he could possibly fathom the rebuilding of a franchise by signing a 37-year-old quarterback and a 34-year-old defensive end.
In another situation, they would be lining up to buy him drinks.

Yet, here, we joke about him making the coffee.

Such is the life of Bruce Allen, the theoretical general manager. Be it happenstance or design, Allen is not receiving the praise commonly due a front office executive who presides over a team's rise from last place to first.

Free agents. Trades. Draft picks. All have Allen's fingerprints, yet none seem to stick to him. At least, none of the ones that work.

Until now, he was the man who brought you Charlie Garner. The GM who signed the twin turnstiles that were Todd Steussie and Derrick Deese. The villain who chased John Lynch from your sight.

Yet, now that the Buccaneers have won their second division title in three seasons, it might be worth reconsidering Allen's value as a general manager. As in, maybe he has more than you realized.

"Bruce has done an outstanding job," Jon Gruden said Monday. "I've got a lot of confidence and respect for him."

Of course, Gruden is a large part of Allen's image problem. Maybe not intentionally. And maybe not consciously. But the Bucs head coach casts an enormous shadow, which frequently leaves Allen in the cold.

The perception is Gruden calls the shots and Allen does his bidding. The coach did not leap at a chance to dispute that characterization Monday, but the reality resides a little deeper.

The philosophy in the Bucs front office is Gruden and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin know the type of players needed to fit game plans and schemes, and so the coaching staff should have a strong input on personnel decisions.

Gruden had a long-running infatuation with Jeff Garcia -so the front office signed him. Gruden was a big fan of Kevin Carter's - so the front office signed him. Gruden clashed with several receivers - and now they're all gone.

"Bruce does a great job of sitting down with Jon and spending X amount of time and then walking out of the room and explaining to us exactly what he's looking for," said Mark Dominik, director of pro personnel. "It works because of how strong their relationship is and how well they work together.

"Bruce has no problem disagreeing with Jon, and in the end they always come to a good agreement."

The book on Allen was that he was an administrator. A contract negotiator and a salary cap manipulator. His background leaned heavily toward the executive side and not so much on the nuts and bolts of scouting.

It is a resume that should sound familiar, for it is not so different from the man he replaced. Like Allen, former Bucs GM Rich McKay is the son of a Hall of Fame coach. Like Allen, he made his name on the business side of the sport. Like Allen, his greatest success came with Gruden on the sideline.

So why is McKay considered a strong talent evaluator, while Allen is portrayed as a paper pusher?

One factor is the way they handle media chores. McKay is likable and mostly accessible. Allen is condescending and usually unavailable. Fair or not, it colors their coverage.

Think of it this way:
What if another GM had accomplished what Allen had this season? What if another GM signed Greg White out of the Arena Football League? What if another GM plugged Donald Penn in at left tackle or Jovan Haye at defensive tackle? What if another GM had the NFL's youngest offensive line protecting one of the league's oldest quarterbacks?

If we're being honest, that GM would be hailed as a miracle worker.

Tampa Bay's turnaround from last season is a credit to Gruden's skills. It is a testament to Garcia's talent at quarterback. It is, in part, a function of good fortune.

But the time has come to acknowledge that it is also a product of Allen and the rest of the front office.

The typical turnover on a 53-man roster is about 13 or 14 players a year. When the Bucs clinched the NFC South on Sunday, they had 22 players who were not on the active roster last season.

Taking it a little further, 10 of their 22 starters were acquired in the past 14 months. That's an astounding amount of turnover for a team that just clinched a division title. And the Bucs did it without overextending themselves on the free-agent market or coming close to filling up their salary cap.

In other words, the general manager did his job.

And did it better than most.

Won Executive of the Year award with RAIDERS/Al Davis!
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SmootSmack · 12-17-2009, 10:26 AM

Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league

Ruhskins · 12-17-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it.
I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins.
Danny loves that.
I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man. I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions.
Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for.
I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?

I think being the GM of a team that went to the Super Bowl (and winning one) is a good start. And I believe he had a good record when he was in Oakland.

FRPLG · 12-17-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league

That's what I always thought.

Monkeydad · 12-17-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it.
I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins.
Danny loves that.
I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man. I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions.
Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for.
I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?

You're right, but his track record of success does.

Monkeydad · 12-17-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league

This may indicate Shanahan being hired then, as opposed to Gruden.

luvthemskins1975 · 12-17-2009, 10:31 AM

This has Tony Dungy written all over it!

Monkeydad · 12-17-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by luvthemskins1975

This has Tony Dungy written all over it!

Did not consider that possibility, but I love it.

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12-17-2009, 10:15 AM	#182
TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 137	re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged **** YES! heard the news about cerrato on the radio en route to work. after a couple minutes of celebration i pulled off on the shoulder and set up the gameday flags. i got a honk of approval before i even got back into the cab! ahahaha.

12-17-2009, 10:17 AM	#183
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,761	re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged The timing of this (Skins on MNF) has the Snyder splash all over it. I can hear the MNF crew talking 3/4 of the time about the Redskins. Danny loves that. I like Allen as VP, but he is not my top choice for GM. Being the son of George Allen does not make him a football man. I am not sure he is the exceptional and experienced talent evaluator I would want running our drafts and player acquisitions. Getting rid of Vinny is more thatn I can ask for. I wonder if Vinny has a job lined up with ND?

12-17-2009, 10:22 AM	#184
warpaint Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Great State of Texas Posts: 982	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged Jay Glazer in 15 minutes on 106.7 __________________ "Not only do you get a 1st down, but you get a whole new set of downs" John Madden

12-17-2009, 10:23 AM	#185
pg86 No new threads for you Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,959	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged I'd say its a great day but...I just recieved an alert chris henry has died...

12-17-2009, 10:24 AM	#186
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 13,044	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged Lol WTF is happening???? Is gruden our guy? __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

12-17-2009, 10:26 AM	#189
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,225	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged Allen's skill set is more on the business/contracts side of things. He's not really know for being an astute personnel guy around the league __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-17-2009, 10:31 AM	#194
luvthemskins1975 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 19	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged This has Tony Dungy written all over it!

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