BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

Gmanc711 · 12-17-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!

What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

saden1 · 12-17-2009, 01:21 PM

Gruden vs Shanahan? Easy...Shanahan!

Gmanc711 · 12-17-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ok, All i meant is in your showing the w/l record, i didn't see 2007, and i wondered what that was. But I agree 100%. Gibbs only won 3 SB, but what mattered is every year, almost, the Redskins were relevant and feared. I would like to get back to that.

Yeah, I caught that... my bad.

vallin21 · 12-17-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

One thing to mention about that -- the Glazer family had previously extended the contract of both Gruden and Bruce Allen before ultimately changing their mind after the '08 season. The Bucs did start out 9-3 before a late season slide.

It might have been a bit of a snap decision on the Glazer's part, and one that cost them quite a bit of money.

Allen's draft record with Tampa Bay did have some mixed results, but look at the drafts of Oakland too. Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, and Sebastian Janikowski are notable picks by him.

I don't think there was a general manager candidate out there without some misses on their draft record. The guy with a perfect track record doesn't exist. Aside from Bill Polian, who as far as I know is not available, Allen had to be one of the top options who was currently unemployed.

Yeah every GM has misses, but was Allen the best available guy? I don't think he was. When the news broke I thought Casserly was gonna be back in but he's getting old and he seems to like appearing on CSN. This move should've been made last year and we might've gotten Pioli from NE, but I think anything is better than Vinny so I'm cautiously optimistic.

jamf · 12-17-2009, 01:23 PM

How long till we sign Jeff Garcia?

CRedskinsRule · 12-17-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Yeah, I caught that... my bad.

funny thing is right after I posted mine, I saw your edit. Made me laugh

Landry44 · 12-17-2009, 01:25 PM

I think Allen is qualified to be a GM. We're getting a guy that really knows football. That's something that this organization hasn't had in a long time.

tryfuhl · 12-17-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My money's on Morocco Brown and Tony Dungy.

I think that if Dungy was one that Snyder did a hell of a job keeping it out of the media.

jsarno · 12-17-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

Oh, ok...gotcha.

CRedskinsRule · 12-17-2009, 01:32 PM

MSchottenheimer on Sirius:

"Dan is not a meddlesome owner" , lambasts VC, "Dan will often time listen to the wrong people". Agreed that this is a good time to make the change. "Hard for me to speculate on [HC decision]", lots of praise for BA. "At this juncture, I think it is an excellent choice" "this would be a example of DS listening to the right voice" "right now in my mind these two decisions represent a quantum step forward, because DS recognized he wasn't getting what he deserved from the FO"

A lot of good thoughts.

I typed as I was listening so hope it makes sense.

redsk1 · 12-17-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think Vinny showed his true colors by dissing Zorn like that.

I agree and that's exactly the reason I never liked VC. He's known to not be very personable. There's no need to take a shot at Zorn like that on the way out. Oh well, he's gone and thank god we don't have to talk about him anymore.

I think Bruce Allen is an excellent choice. He's built winners in two places, he has ties to the area and the skins, and he's fairly young. I think DS did very well.

Shanahan is a winner folks. You can't do alot better than him. Gruden is a winner too. I'm happy w/ either of the two. Hell, i'd be happy hiring a young guy like Brian S or Kyle S. It's a good day for Skins fans.

hooskins · 12-17-2009, 01:34 PM

Marty and Cower are bffl's, and I am sure Marty told him not to touch Washington with a 100 foot pole.

reppinredskins · 12-17-2009, 01:36 PM

T.A.H.: GRUDEN TO BE NEXT REDSKINS HEAD COACH | Bleacher Report

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-17-2009, 01:37 PM

Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.

hooskins · 12-17-2009, 01:40 PM

I think there could still be Shanahan type figure, who has absolute control, and Allen would be the figure-head.

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12-17-2009, 01:21 PM	#317
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,734	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged Gruden vs Shanahan? Easy...Shanahan! __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

12-17-2009, 01:23 PM	#320
jamf The Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 2,178	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged How long till we sign Jeff Garcia? __________________ You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.

12-17-2009, 01:25 PM	#322
Landry44 Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 299	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged I think Allen is qualified to be a GM. We're getting a guy that really knows football. That's something that this organization hasn't had in a long time.

12-17-2009, 01:32 PM	#325
CRedskinsRule MVP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 45 Posts: 10,901	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged MSchottenheimer on Sirius: "Dan is not a meddlesome owner" , lambasts VC, "Dan will often time listen to the wrong people". Agreed that this is a good time to make the change. "Hard for me to speculate on [HC decision]", lots of praise for BA. "At this juncture, I think it is an excellent choice" "this would be a example of DS listening to the right voice" "right now in my mind these two decisions represent a quantum step forward, because DS recognized he wasn't getting what he deserved from the FO" A lot of good thoughts. I typed as I was listening so hope it makes sense.

12-17-2009, 01:34 PM	#327
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 25 Posts: 8,557	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged Marty and Cower are bffl's, and I am sure Marty told him not to touch Washington with a 100 foot pole. __________________ Vacancy

12-17-2009, 01:36 PM	#328
reppinredskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 27	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged T.A.H.: GRUDEN TO BE NEXT REDSKINS HEAD COACH \| Bleacher Report

12-17-2009, 01:37 PM	#329
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,812	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him: 1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced. 2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended. 3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks. I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now: 1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR 2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan. In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

12-17-2009, 01:40 PM	#330
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 25 Posts: 8,557	Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged I think there could still be Shanahan type figure, who has absolute control, and Allen would be the figure-head. __________________ Vacancy

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