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BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

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Old 12-17-2009, 02:26 PM   #331
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My money's on Morocco Brown and Tony Dungy.
I think that if Dungy was one that Snyder did a hell of a job keeping it out of the media.
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HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!
Oh, ok...gotcha.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:32 PM   #333
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MSchottenheimer on Sirius:

"Dan is not a meddlesome owner" , lambasts VC, "Dan will often time listen to the wrong people". Agreed that this is a good time to make the change. "Hard for me to speculate on [HC decision]", lots of praise for BA. "At this juncture, I think it is an excellent choice" "this would be a example of DS listening to the right voice" "right now in my mind these two decisions represent a quantum step forward, because DS recognized he wasn't getting what he deserved from the FO"

A lot of good thoughts.

I typed as I was listening so hope it makes sense.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:32 PM   #334
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I think Vinny showed his true colors by dissing Zorn like that.
I agree and that's exactly the reason I never liked VC. He's known to not be very personable. There's no need to take a shot at Zorn like that on the way out. Oh well, he's gone and thank god we don't have to talk about him anymore.

I think Bruce Allen is an excellent choice. He's built winners in two places, he has ties to the area and the skins, and he's fairly young. I think DS did very well.

Shanahan is a winner folks. You can't do alot better than him. Gruden is a winner too. I'm happy w/ either of the two. Hell, i'd be happy hiring a young guy like Brian S or Kyle S. It's a good day for Skins fans.
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Marty and Cower are bffl's, and I am sure Marty told him not to touch Washington with a 100 foot pole.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:36 PM   #336
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:37 PM   #337
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Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.
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I think there could still be Shanahan type figure, who has absolute control, and Allen would be the figure-head.
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Their reasoning being the ties to Allen; this very well may happen but there's not even a "source" for this information.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:45 PM   #340
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went to bed reeeeeeeeeeealll late last night but am up and VERY VERY VERY VERY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0.
Reminds me more of Gibbs than Vinny honestly.
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I'm not going to base my opinion solely on what happen with the Bucs. We just hired the guy and I will wait and see what he does for us. I can careless about who he drafted when he was with the Bucs and Raiders. One thing I know about Allen is that he knows how to put together a roster.
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George Allen was the same way. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.
Well, I do share in your thoughts that it's not a slam dunk like everyone says, however, I do not think this is cerrato 2.0. It's a move in the right direction. Love the lineage to George Allen too. I think Gruden knows what he's doing...he did after all bring two different teams to the SB and won 1.
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Rick Stroud (from the St. Petersburg Times) was just interviewed on ESPN980 and reiterated what Smoot said earlier - Allen is a great administrator and contract guy, and thats all he's good at. The coach won't work FOR him, but rather WITH him. Some other of Ricks feelings on him:

1. He's a yes-man. He always did whatever Gruden and the owner wanted. So don't expect Snyder's level of involvement to be reduced.

2. The reason Tampa Bay's drafts from 2004 to 2007 were so bad because Allen and Gruden made all draft decisions "in a vacuum" - If Gruden wanted a player, Allen would agree with him, and they would select the player, regardless of what the scouting department recommended.

3. He and Gruden both like veteran players and value them over draft picks.

I didn't like the Allen hiring and i like it even less now. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but he's Vinny 2.0. Nothing's really changed. Either one of two things will happen now:

1) We'll hire Gruden or a no-name coach and Snyder will still pull all the strings OR
2) We'll hire Shanahan and He'll have total authority over our offense. Snyder will step down and Allen will just be a puppet for Shannahan.

In either case, the one thing that this organization needs isn't going to happen - We won't have a "real" GM with full authority to make football decisions.
How many division titles did he win during that time period?
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