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BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

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Love it 91 43.75%
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:21 PM   #346
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No he doesnt. The bucs roster was never very talented. And I don't see how you can say you can care less about who he drafted but that he knows how to build a roster - the two go hand in hand. ALLEN IS NOT A PERSONEL GUY. He sucked at drafting and building a roster. He just agreed with whatever Gruden wanted. Thats why he and Gruden were dismissed in the first place. Consider this - Glazer is the cheapest owner in the NFL. Allen and Gruden had just signed huge contract extensions and yet Glazer got rid of them anyway. THAT is very telling.
He does know how to put together a roster. He won division championships with both Oakland and Tampa Bay. You can't base how he will perform here based on how he performed in other places. If that was the case then Vinny would have worked out here.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:24 PM   #347
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The NFC-South was the worst division in football during that time period. Winning the division twice in five years is no feat. And in both instances where they won the division, they lost in the wild card game. Gruden/Allen's regualr season record in Tampa Bay together was 38-42. If a 0.475 percentage winning record is something to get excited about, then we've got problems. If Snyder thinks hiring Allen and reuniting him with Gruden will win over the fans, and he succeeds in doing so - then its a testament to the stupidity of the fanbase more than anything else.
Actually since 2002, outside of the NFC East, the NFC South has sent the most teams to the playoffs as wild card teams (3), compared to the NFC North (1), and the NFC West (2). And it seems that in the NFC South the teams have beaten each other up a lot, given that they've taken turns taking the division championship: Tampa Bay (3), Carolina (2), New Orleans (2), and Atlanta (1).
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:24 PM   #348
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Honestly, i'd rather have kept Vinny than hire Allen and pair him with Gruden if thats what we end up doing. Atleast Vinny was a personnel guy. The man drafted pretty darn well. "GrudAll" didnt. Thier draft record speaks for itself.
You're very very alone with your Vinny love.

There is no question that he was a loner, a yes man, and a prick in a job that requires the exact opposite in order to be successful. Seems to me we have plenty of great "personnel guys" in our organization and what we need is a good manager to make it work.

If VC is as good as you say he is, he'll find employment elsewhere in the NFL. In the meantime, good riddance.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:25 PM   #349
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Honestly, i'd rather have kept Vinny than hire Allen and pair him with Gruden if thats what we end up doing. Atleast Vinny was a personnel guy. The man drafted pretty darn well. "GrudAll" didnt. Thier draft record speaks for itself.
And division titles nor SB appearances matter? Seriously man, just give it up and let the guy do something here.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:27 PM   #350
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The NFC-South was the worst division in football during that time period. Winning the division twice in five years is no feat. And in both instances where they won the division, they lost in the wild card game. Gruden/Allen's regualr season record in Tampa Bay together was 38-42. If a 0.475 percentage winning record is something to get excited about, then we've got problems. If Snyder thinks hiring Allen and reuniting him with Gruden will win over the fans, and he succeeds in doing so - then its a testament to the stupidity of the fanbase more than anything else.
The point is they won division championships in this decade. We haven't one a division title since 99. Right now, I don't know what this guy is going to do. But, what I do know is that he has had some success in this league. I'm willing to give this guy an opportunity to see what he does. He hasn't been on the job for a day and you're already declaring him a failure.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:30 PM   #351
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Vinny needed to go. Time will tell with Allen, but I don't understand how anyone can seriously say they would rather stick with Vinny.

People throw around the word "cancer" too often when referring to players who are bad apples, but in this case I think cancer is a good word to describe what Vinny had become to the Redskins organization.

Yes the move to bring in Sherm Lewis appears to have paid off, but the way the whole thing went down was just pathetic. To strip a head coach of his play calling duties midseason was ridiculous. And on the way out the door he conveniently thanks every coach except for the one he hired. Again, totally ridiculous. When asked if he thought the team had a playoff roster, he said yes, insinuating that Zorn was the one that botched it.

Allen from what I've read is much more personable and is well respected around the league. I think he's going to be a much needed breath of fresh air to the Redskins front office.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:30 PM   #352
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Guys he's just one person, he'll have say in who else comes in. I'd live to see Brown stay and have us bring DeCosta back; I could also see is going after Doug Williams if Allen wants to work with him again, I'd rather have DeCosta if they're looking at them for the same position, which I imagine would be head of personnel or at least pro personnel.
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And division titles nor SB appearances matter? Seriously man, just give it up and let the guy do something here.
The man has 5 division championships this decade. I'm more than willing to give this guy the opportunity to see what he does. I hope he does well.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:35 PM   #354
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Marty and Cower are bffl's, and I am sure Marty told him not to touch Washington with a 100 foot pole.
Well...the two biggest problems Marty had with the Redskins (Drasner and Cerrato) are now gone
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hahaha.. allen just mentioned respecting the Redskins talent over the years as an opponent, mentioned that some of those TDs might not have stood if the replay was the same as it is now

also mentioned liking the young talent, named orakpo
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:38 PM   #356
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Certainly you can argue that there are better choices than Allen out there, bu for the five plus years I've been part of this board the two most common sentences I've seen written here are "We need a GM" and "We need to get rid of Vinny"

Well in one morning, we did both....and we still complain
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Allen wants "good teammates, somebody that we can count on"

Snyder "he is a seasoned executive.. very appropriate for the title"

starting today Allen "feels the pain of 4-9" will be talking to the current staff to find out what caused that, etc
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:39 PM   #359
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According to DS, Joe Gibbs approves of this move (per news conference).
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Certainly you can argue that there are better choices than Allen out there, bu for the five plus years I've been part of this board the two most common sentences I've seen written here are "We need a GM" and "We need to get rid of Vinny"

Well in one morning, we did both....and we still complain
Nothing's ever good enough. If we hired Belichick or Tomlin there would be complaints too. Some of these people want a coach that won 5 superbowls in 3 years it seems, but it would've been better if he won 6.
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