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BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

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Old 12-18-2009, 09:54 AM   #601
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I don't like this...this just means Shanahan is going to be gunning for a QB with the first pick and we will have to wait at least 2 more years for a contender. Thoughts?
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:14 AM   #602
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

After reading a few articles yesterday about this process, its looking more and more like Shanahan was asked what it would take to get him hired and he said get rid of Vinny.

Many of the other GM's that saw and talked to Vinny at the NFL meetings late last week said Vinny was not aware of any changes. He was scouting and preparing for the draft. That does not sound like a guy getting ready to quit.
The fact that he went to the meetings is a sign that he was out of the loop.
Plus throw his childish disrespectful slap at Zorn during his exit speech and that is a sign of a guy that is not happy about this move.
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:31 AM   #603
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I don't like this...this just means Shanahan is going to be gunning for a QB with the first pick and we will have to wait at least 2 more years for a contender. Thoughts?
Shanahan isn't the QB collector that Gruden is. While he may eventually want "his own QB," one has to think he'd be fine with Campbell. QB with our #1 is a distinct possibility but if it happened, it would happen after Jason Campbell was traded for pick(s). Given Campbells improved performance recently, combined with the quality of free agent quarterbacks available, and Campbell could be a hot commodity on the offseason. its not unreasonable to think he could get us a high 2nd or low 1st round pick. in either case, it would make the "sting" of selecting a 1st round QB more palatable. Cowher is rumored to want Campbell to be his QB in Carolina. Arizona is also a possible trade destination (assuming we swapped him for Leinhart, which is very likely if we had Shanny).

As of this moment, i'd break the odds down this way on who our starting QB will be in 2010:

Jason Campbell - 50%
Matt Leinhart - 40%
Rookie QB or Veteran QB while our 1st round QB is groomed - 10%

One other thing to keep in mind is that Mike Shanahan (who, make no mistake, would be running the show here - Allen would just deal with the details, paperwork, etc.) has always been shrewd when it comes to trades. He values his draft picks and will drive a hard bargain, whereas Snyderatto was always more than willing to throw in a little extra to "sweeten the pot" and get a deal done. I don't expect us to get "the short end of the stick" in trades going forward.
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Shanahan isn't the QB collector that Gruden is. While he may eventually want "his own QB," one has to think he'd be fine with Campbell. QB with our #1 is a distinct possibility but if it happened, it would happen after Jason Campbell was traded for pick(s). Given Campbells improved performance recently, combined with the quality of free agent quarterbacks available, and Campbell could be a hot commodity on the offseason. its not unreasonable to think he could get us a high 2nd or low 1st round pick. in either case, it would make the "sting" of selecting a 1st round QB more palatable. Cowher is rumored to want Campbell to be his QB in Carolina. Arizona is also a possible trade destination (assuming we swapped him for Leinhart, which is very likely if we had Shanny).

As of this moment, i'd break the odds down this way on who our starting QB will be in 2010:

Jason Campbell - 50%
Matt Leinhart - 40%
Rookie QB or Veteran QB while our 1st round QB is groomed - 10%

One other thing to keep in mind is that Mike Shanahan (who, make no mistake, would be running the show here - Allen would just deal with the details, paperwork, etc.) has always been shrewd when it comes to trades. He values his draft picks and will drive a hard bargain, whereas Snyderatto was always more than willing to throw in a little extra to "sweeten the pot" and get a deal done. I don't expect us to get "the short end of the stick" in trades going forward.

Where do you get your information? TMZ, Star Mag., People, US Weekly...

Can you sit at night after pulling so much stuff out of your ass all day?
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:51 AM   #605
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I actually read it somewhere on this site. it was just a rumor and I indicated it was a rumor.
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I actually read it somewhere on this site. it was just a rumor and I indicated it was a rumor.
Carolina would have to pay 6 million to get rid of Fox and their GM. It seems very doubtful that they will do this. And I think the Cowher to Carolina buzz has been pretty quiet lately.
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Carolina would have to pay 6 million to get rid of Fox and their GM. It seems very doubtful that they will do this. And I think the Cowher to Carolina buzz has been pretty quiet lately.
As I live in Raleigh and 90% of everyone i know is a panthers fan, i know everyone's hoping he comes to Carolina. As long as he doesn't go to Dallass, i'm happy.
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What I know about Allen seems like a big improvement over Vinny. But here's the billion dollar question: is Allen a guy who will keep Snyder from meddling in the football decisions?
the junkies had the bucs beat writer (stroud - been covering the bucs before allen got there) on this morning (around 10:30ish) and he said allen did what the owner and HC wanted in tampa, that he was not a guy who would stand up to higher management.
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the junkies had the bucs beat writer (stroud - been covering the bucs before allen got there) on this morning (around 10:30ish) and he said allen did what the owner and HC wanted in tampa, that he was not a guy who would stand up to higher management.

So what does that mean? In any company if you want to stay employed you will have to eventually go with what the owner wants. You can offer your opinion and make a case for it but in the end the owner holds the cards.

No one person is going to come to the Redskins and completely dominate Dan and his decisions, impossible.

Who do people want as GM Hitler??? It just blows my mind people are complaining about Bruce Allen when the guy probably doesn't even know what his office looks like yet. give him a chance.

Some people are just never fawking happy.
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As I live in Raleigh and 90% of everyone i know is a panthers fan, i know everyone's hoping he comes to Carolina. As long as he doesn't go to Dallass, i'm happy.
So do you think they realistic going to get rid of Fox given the buyout situation? Just curious.
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So what does that mean? In any company if you want to stay employed you will have to eventually go with what the owner wants. You can offer your opinion and make a case for it but in the end the owner holds the cards.

No one person is going to come to the Redskins and completely dominate Dan and his decisions, impossible.

Who do people want as GM Hitler??? It just blows my mind people are complaining about Bruce Allen when the guy probably doesn't even know what his office looks like yet. give him a chance.

Some people are just never fawking happy.
im not complaining or not happy with bruce allen.

the goat asked a question and the junkies had a bucs reporter on who made comments directly answering the goats question.

i was just saying what he said. relax buddy.
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So do you think they realistic going to get rid of Fox given the buyout situation? Just curious.
I honestly don't know enough about the "frugality" of the Panthers ownership, but in talking to my friends (who are honestly not "savvy" enough to get into the financial aspect of front office decisions), they feel Fox will be fired and they HOPE Cowher's the next guy. I don't think they feel Cowher to Carolina is about as much of a given as we feel Shanahan to Washington is - but from my point of view, i've always felt Cowher would end up in Carolina (despite how much i wish he'd be our next coach.). I've got no inside information, its just an opinion/gut feeling. I talk to my friends and i've read the same stuff online that you probably have.

At this point, i think Shanahan's coming here, Cowher's going to Carolina, and Gruden (despite the current contract situation) is going to Dallas. Watch me be wrong on all 3 counts.
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im not complaining or not happy with bruce allen.

the goat asked a question and the junkies had a bucs reporter on who made comments directly answering the goats question.

i was just saying what he said. relax buddy.

Was not completely direct at you, just tired of folks bitching.
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So what does that mean? In any company if you want to stay employed you will have to eventually go with what the owner wants. You can offer your opinion and make a case for it but in the end the owner holds the cards.

No one person is going to come to the Redskins and completely dominate Dan and his decisions, impossible.

Who do people want as GM Hitler??? It just blows my mind people are complaining about Bruce Allen when the guy probably doesn't even know what his office looks like yet. give him a chance.

Some people are just never fawking happy.
I understand being happy about Allen, but i think its fair to look at the history of both Allen and Snyder in determining what our "initial reactions" are. Allen was a yes-man in tampa, the only time he's ever held a GM position. And Snyder does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. As you said, we don't know what his office here will look like. We should give things a chance. I dont think anyone is saying this is absolutely going to be a complete failure. I just think its wise that we temper our joy and enthusiasm with some skepticism.

If the front office ends up looking like JLC's sources indicate, then we have something to be truly happy over. If DeCosta is brought in and Shanahan takes over, i'll be more happy that you can imagine. But if we end up with Allen and Gruden or Allen and a "small-name" coach, then, chances are, nothings really changed and we have vinny 2.0. Time will tell. But we certainly have more reason for optimism than we did 48 hours ago, that much is certain.
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:44 PM   #615
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BTW, JLC is going to be on ESPN980 within the next hour or so. Should be very interesting to see what his sources are telling him now.
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