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BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

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Old 12-18-2009, 01:43 PM   #616
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So what does that mean? In any company if you want to stay employed you will have to eventually go with what the owner wants. You can offer your opinion and make a case for it but in the end the owner holds the cards.

No one person is going to come to the Redskins and completely dominate Dan and his decisions, impossible.

Who do people want as GM Hitler??? It just blows my mind people are complaining about Bruce Allen when the guy probably doesn't even know what his office looks like yet. give him a chance.

Some people are just never fawking happy.
I understand being happy about Allen, but i think its fair to look at the history of both Allen and Snyder in determining what our "initial reactions" are. Allen was a yes-man in tampa, the only time he's ever held a GM position. And Snyder does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. As you said, we don't know what his office here will look like. We should give things a chance. I dont think anyone is saying this is absolutely going to be a complete failure. I just think its wise that we temper our joy and enthusiasm with some skepticism.

If the front office ends up looking like JLC's sources indicate, then we have something to be truly happy over. If DeCosta is brought in and Shanahan takes over, i'll be more happy that you can imagine. But if we end up with Allen and Gruden or Allen and a "small-name" coach, then, chances are, nothings really changed and we have vinny 2.0. Time will tell. But we certainly have more reason for optimism than we did 48 hours ago, that much is certain.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:44 PM   #617
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Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

BTW, JLC is going to be on ESPN980 within the next hour or so. Should be very interesting to see what his sources are telling him now.
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:48 PM   #618
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BTW, JLC is going to be on ESPN980 within the next hour or so. Should be very interesting to see what his sources are telling him now.
yeah waiting on this
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:52 PM   #619
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BTW, JLC is going to be on ESPN980 within the next hour or so. Should be very interesting to see what his sources are telling him now.
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Old 12-18-2009, 06:53 PM   #620
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I'm really starting to hope that they bring in Doug Williams to the front office. If anything we need more people that understand what Redskins football is all about and I think Doug Williams understands that. On top of that I remember Jeff Bostic talking on America's Game about how the offensive line preferred Doug Williams, mainly because he respected the O-Line, where as Jay Schroeder could have cared less. Combine that with the fact that Tampa drafted multiple O-Lineman early during the Allen/Williams/Gruden era and I think we have a chance to get back on track.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:26 AM   #621
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I just spend 2 hrs reading all 620 posts.

My points:
Cerrato is gone!! That is awesome since it was the #2 problem with the team
(#1 being Snyder) THIS IS the biggest good news since Gibbs came back!!

Some other guy was hired....apparantly he is ok, but no superstar...
Well...who cares? We all thought Cerrato was a suckwad...and he is...so basically 90% of anyone interviewed would have been better....Bruce Allen will be....not to mention he has REDSKINS BLOOD running through his veins.

Lets now work on problem #3....our sucky head coach
...then on problem #4...our sucky Oline....then problem #5....OLB, RB, FS, WR, QB depth, WR coach, bad skins PR, etc.

It is time to enjoy the day!

I would support any headcoaching hire that our GM selects.
I am done with Zorn...I am so sick of seeing him on the sidelines looking like he is about to cry...the guy is a wimp...he has no "GUTS"....stay medium?
What the hell is that?....strictly QB coach talk....would Lombardi say that?
Would Gibbs? We need a LEGITAMATE HEAD COACH.
Bring it on MR SNYDER!!!

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Old 12-19-2009, 12:33 AM   #622
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I'm really starting to hope that they bring in Doug Williams to the front office. If anything we need more people that understand what Redskins football is all about and I think Doug Williams understands that. On top of that I remember Jeff Bostic talking on America's Game about how the offensive line preferred Doug Williams, mainly because he respected the O-Line, where as Jay Schroeder could have cared less. Combine that with the fact that Tampa drafted multiple O-Lineman early during the Allen/Williams/Gruden era and I think we have a chance to get back on track.
I feel the same way. My only problem is Redskins football is hard nosed smash mouth football. As much as we all would like to have that again, we actually have been trying to get/keep that since Gibbs1 left.

Shanahan has always had a great running team but I wouldn't call it hard nosed smash mouth football. It's more of a finess style of offense.
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I feel the same way. My only problem is Redskins football is hard nosed smash mouth football. As much as we all would like to have that again, we actually have been trying to get/keep that since Gibbs1 left.

Shanahan has always had a great running team but I wouldn't call it hard nosed smash mouth football. It's more of a finess style of offense.
How about just having a winning football team?
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:12 AM   #624
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I feel the same way. My only problem is Redskins football is hard nosed smash mouth football. As much as we all would like to have that again, we actually have been trying to get/keep that since Gibbs1 left.

Shanahan has always had a great running team but I wouldn't call it hard nosed smash mouth football. It's more of a finess style of offense.
I tend to think Shanny's running scheme fits the WCO offense better, though this is just speculation. For as long as I can remember our running game worked best when we had real bruising insiders i.e. when Dock and Thomas were in their prime at each G spot. Meanwhile our WR corp wasn't dominant enough to keep the defense from just throwing 8 guys in the box most plays. Shanny's run scheme always seemed to thrive of misdirection so throwing 8 guys in the box doesn't have the same potency. Meanwhile his scheme has always made the WR corp better which takes pressure off the run game.

With Shanahan, assuming he's here to win not just collect one final payday, I think our offense is just a couple good lineman away from consistent production. I hope we maintain a strong defensive unit to compliment it.
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Old 12-21-2009, 03:09 PM   #625
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I LIKE IT because Vinny is gone. Also I think Dan Snyder has heard the voice of the fan and is responding. Naming Bruce Allen as general manager is a step in the right direction. I still want to see what decisions he makes about the coaching staff and player signings/acquisitions. Hopefully he will use the draft more than in the past and stay away from overpriced free agents.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:11 PM   #626
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a step in the right direction is how i see this move and i like it alot.
now i hope they keep following that to the next step in the right direction as well.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:44 PM   #627
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I just heard a caller on NFL radio ask Gil Brandt about Bruce Allen and he had this to say (I'm paraphrasing):

-Very bright guy, level headed

-He confirmed that he's heard Bruce has total control over hiring a coach, personnel, the draft, etc. Snyder is out of the way.

-He sent a note to Allen upon hearing about him getting the job and told him now the other 3 teams in the divison have something to worry about.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:58 PM   #628
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So thats three seperate sources who've now confirmed that Snyder has stepped back. However, I don't beleive (and would hope) that Allen will not have total control over personnel and the draft. He has a horrible record in that department. Additionally, we all know Snyder wants Shanahan hired and thats who Allen is going to hire, unless something crazy happens. And we also all known that Shanahan is going to have final say over personnel and the draft.

When all the dust settles, i'm pretty sure things will look this way (as they should):

Dan Snyder, Owner - signs the checks. He may be involved in the sense of wanting to be kept in the loop of whats going on, but he won't be making any of the decisions.

Bruce Allen, Vice President and GM - handles the administrative side of football operations. He'll be involved in selecting players, making trades, etc., but he truly won't have final say.

Mike Shanahan - President and Coach - coaches the team, reviews potential FA moves suggested by Bruce Allen and his staff, but he'll make the final decision on what players are acquired and cut.

As an example, lets say Mike Shanahan wants Matt Leinhart as his QB. Mike would express this to Bruce. Bruce would call Arizona and negotiate terms of the trade. Snyder would pay Leinhart. Now, certainly all three men would be involved throughout each step of the process, but thats how I think it would play out.
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I just heard a caller on NFL radio ask Gil Brandt about Bruce Allen and he had this to say (I'm paraphrasing):

-Very bright guy, level headed

-He confirmed that he's heard Bruce has total control over hiring a coach, personnel, the draft, etc. Snyder is out of the way.

-He sent a note to Allen upon hearing about him getting the job and told him now the other 3 teams in the divison have something to worry about.
i still have can't get past snyder saying we and then changing it to bruce and then changing it to redskins at the press conference only time will tell, you would think after ten years he would learn his lesson
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So thats three seperate sources who've now confirmed that Snyder has stepped back. However, I don't beleive (and would hope) that Allen will not have total control over personnel and the draft. He has a horrible record in that department. Additionally, we all know Snyder wants Shanahan hired and thats who Allen is going to hire, unless something crazy happens. And we also all known that Shanahan is going to have final say over personnel and the draft.

When all the dust settles, i'm pretty sure things will look this way (as they should):

Dan Snyder, Owner - signs the checks. He may be involved in the sense of wanting to be kept in the loop of whats going on, but he won't be making any of the decisions.

Bruce Allen, Vice President and GM - handles the administrative side of football operations. He'll be involved in selecting players, making trades, etc., but he truly won't have final say.

Mike Shanahan - President and Coach - coaches the team, reviews potential FA moves suggested by Bruce Allen and his staff, but he'll make the final decision on what players are acquired and cut.

As an example, lets say Mike Shanahan wants Matt Leinhart as his QB. Mike would express this to Bruce. Bruce would call Arizona and negotiate terms of the trade. Snyder would pay Leinhart. Now, certainly all three men would be involved throughout each step of the process, but thats how I think it would play out.
Allen is definitely not going to be the lone voice when it comes to personnel and the draft. If Shanahan is indeed the coach then I think it's quite obvious he will have a significant say in those areas. However the key to all of this is Snyder is out of the picture and Bruce is truly the captain of the ship. I think we should all be breathing a sigh of relief there.
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