Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins

Longtimefan · 12-18-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Its very easy to say the Rooney rule is wrong, without properly understanding why it is in place. Its not like the general job market, which is much more porous and open. The coaching and involvement with the NFL was very much a "Country-Club" only deal. There have to be rules to prevent that kinda of self-sustaining discrimination.

There never would be a qualified minority candidate if they dont get a chance.

Apprehension has always been associated with the Rooney Rule by many people because of the limitations it faces in effecting it's intended purpose. Owners are going to hire who they want to hire to run or coach their respective programs. The rule is to give the impression that fairness is being implemented in the process.

maroonandblack30 · 12-18-2009, 10:07 AM

The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

53Fan · 12-18-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.

Speculation is rampant right now as would be expected. If a plan is already in place I don't know if these next 3 games matter. I would like to see Zorn returning given real consideration myself.

Defensewins · 12-18-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

How old are you?
The reason I ask is some of the owners are much older than you and I.
They are from an era where discriminating because of race or religion was discreetly being done and behind closed doors was acceptable. The attitude was not necessarily I hate minorities, it was more an attitude of 'I will never have a black GM or coach or QB.' There are certain high visibility/profile positions that were not acceptable to have a minority.

Longtimefan · 12-18-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

until a zorn is fired and a new coach is named all of this is just speculation and rumors.

I've said it over and over, but the speculation will continue until there's a resolution. We now live in a time where people just love to speculate on just about everything............I've gotten used to it.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-18-2009, 10:23 AM

Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.

pg86 · 12-18-2009, 10:23 AM

You know I been thinking yes he's a lame duck coach with no playcalling duties but seriously who's to blame for their performance as of late?!?!? I would fire him as the head coach and offer him a lower position (QB coach) if he didn't accept it its on him!

Monkeydad · 12-18-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I've said it over and over, but the speculation will continue until there's a resolution. We now live in a time where people just love to speculate on just about everything............I've gotten used to it.

Yep. Right now we should have Brady Quinn, Sanchez and Cutler alternating series to throw TDs to Chad Ochocinco and Kellen Winslow.

firstdown · 12-18-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

I'm in between on the rule. I believe that minorities definetely should be interviewed and coach in this league however if the top canidate is white and that is the guy you want why waste the time of the minority being interviewed and the time of the top canidate?

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T.O.Killa · 12-18-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

I'm in between on the rule. I believe that minorities definetely should be interviewed and coach in this league however if the top canidate is white and that is the guy you want why waste the time of the minority being interviewed and the time of the top canidate?

I know it sounds like a joke, but apparently there have been a couple black coaches hired just because of the Rooney rule(Meaning they impressed in the interview) that they might not have looked at. And how did this thread, become the Rooney rule thread.

mredskins · 12-18-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting.

If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely.

I use to think that way about the Rooney Rule but you know what it gives you a chance. It is your 15 minutes of fame with Dan and if you can knock his socks off, you just might change his mind.

Buster Douglas would have never beaten Mike Tyson if he had not been given the chance to fight him.

maroonandblack30 · 12-18-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

How old are you?

irrelevant

pg86 · 12-18-2009, 10:30 AM

Jesus when did this become a discussion about NFL's version of affirmative action...on the subject please!! lol

mredskins · 12-18-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pg86

Jesus when did this become a discussion about NFL's version of affirmative action...on the subject please!! lol

Now we are pulling in religion! =)

Dlyne8r · 12-18-2009, 10:31 AM

BREAKING NEWS:

The Obama administration has appointed a "Rooney Rule" Czar to oversee the adherence of minority interviews in the NFL.

12-18-2009, 10:07 AM	#32
maroonandblack30 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 348	Re: Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.

12-18-2009, 10:23 AM	#36
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,812	Re: Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins Jim Zorn is probably the only person who thinks he has a chance to return in any capacity. The notion that he would remain in a reduced role is absurd. Even if Zorn were open to the idea, there's no way ANY new HC would retain his predecessor on the staff. It would simply create too many awkward situations. The only part about this story that bothers me does deal with the rooney rule. I'm sure the skins will be in compliance with the letter of the rule, but they certainly arent in its spirit. It also bothers me that a minority coach would willingly allow himself to be manipulated by "interviewing" for a position they knew full well they had no chance of getting. If I were a minority coach in the NFL, i would rather not have a rooney rule at all than one that allowed me to be manipulated and taken advantage of. Its cheap and degrading in my opinion. If the Skins or any team wants to hire a Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Jon Gruden, etc... then that's their right. but the reality is they're not going to give anyone else - regardless of race - serious consideration. the rooney rule turns decent men into pawns. its a complete sham and needs to be revised or done away with entirely. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

12-18-2009, 10:23 AM	#37
pg86 No new threads for you Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,959	Re: Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins You know I been thinking yes he's a lame duck coach with no playcalling duties but seriously who's to blame for their performance as of late?!?!? I would fire him as the head coach and offer him a lower position (QB coach) if he didn't accept it its on him!

12-18-2009, 10:30 AM	#43
pg86 No new threads for you Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,959	Re: Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins Jesus when did this become a discussion about NFL's version of affirmative action...on the subject please!! lol

12-18-2009, 10:31 AM	#45
Dlyne8r Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The ATL Posts: 467	Re: Report: Shanahan in Talks with Redskins BREAKING NEWS: The Obama administration has appointed a "Rooney Rule" Czar to oversee the adherence of minority interviews in the NFL.

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