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Old 12-19-2009, 06:06 PM   #76
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Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules

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Well that's for the admissions committee of each school to determine. I'm sure they all have specific criteria they weigh in different ways, and they are obviously smart enough to consider things like suburbs vs inner-city, income levels, etc etc.

In the end what I'm talking about is, after the admissions committees finish evaluating applicants (including the factors you mentioned), is it not a double standard (compared to Kalisto's comments) to give admission to a black candidate they found to be less qualified than a white candidate simply because he's a minority?
Well, then I think it's a strawman. I mean, if the assertion is that they've concluded that the white student is more qualified, then no amount of affirmative action is going to change who gets accepted. It sounds like it's already been decided.

Even one step further, though, the Rooney Rule doesn't even go this far. It stops at the interview process. So if I have a problem with the Rooney Rule, it's that it doesn't actually accomplish what it's intended to. Too easy to get around it.

But, I mean, there's only so much the NFL can do if Snyder is going to hire Shanahan. They can't make it illegal for him to do that. At the end of the day, there's no actual meaningful interview process going on here, so the application of the Rooney Rule is not helpful.
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Well, then I think it's a strawman. I mean, if the assertion is that they've concluded that the white student is more qualified, then no amount of affirmative action is going to change who gets accepted. It sounds like it's already been decided.

Even one step further, though, the Rooney Rule doesn't even go this far. It stops at the interview process. So if I have a problem with the Rooney Rule, it's that it doesn't actually accomplish what it's intended to. Too easy to get around it.

But, I mean, there's only so much the NFL can do if Snyder is going to hire Shanahan. They can't make it illegal for him to do that. At the end of the day, there's no actual meaningful interview process going on here, so the application of the Rooney Rule is not helpful.
Not in this case, but that's the beauty of the rule. It doesn't force any team's hand when it comes to actually making a decision, but rather it encourages a more extensive search for qualified coaches. Critics of the rule have to come to grips with the fact that the rule in no way, shape, or form inhibits a team from making a head coaching decision. In other words, at best the rule accomplishes great things, while at worst it causes no damage.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:48 PM   #78
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Re: The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules

well according to PFT they would have followed the rooney rule..

Redskins won't comment on Blache report | ProFootballTalk.com

if this is true..
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:14 PM   #79
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Not in this case, but that's the beauty of the rule. It doesn't force any team's hand when it comes to actually making a decision, but rather it encourages a more extensive search for qualified coaches. Critics of the rule have to come to grips with the fact that the rule in no way, shape, or form inhibits a team from making a head coaching decision. In other words, at best the rule accomplishes great things, while at worst it causes no damage.
the simple fact is the nfl should let each team hire and fire who it wishes, without forcing (not encouraging) a team to interview someone just becuase of their skin color.
what if the lions decide they want tony dungy to be their next head coach, thats their guy, no ifs ands or buts about it. should the nfl force them to interview a white candidate? why always black and white. why doesn't the nfl go ahead and force each team to interview a hispanic or a female, i mean the whole thing is just a pile of crap. stay outta my buisness.
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Sometimes professors, including myself, fail to practice what they teach. I don't think that they do this more than anyone else, though, leaving me to resent your anti-intellectual depiction.
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