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Old 12-18-2009, 12:36 PM   #1
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The rooney rule is it fair< did the redskins follow the rules

Here it is. Discuss the Rooney rule here. For the record I have no problem with it. Big deal. All owners are white I believe so it makes some sense. Now keep the discussion out of threads about other things.
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:39 PM   #2
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Respect T.O. Killa..now all of you good ole boys can have your meeting here..
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:43 PM   #3
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You know, on of the best things about blogging is every body is not seen for anything other than there posts. We should probably keep it that way.
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This thread needs closed. It has been proven in other threads that the Redskins indeed followed the Rooney rule. Roger Goodell has said the same thing...
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I don't think it's necessary to ask whether the Skins followed the rules because that has been a non-issue from the start. The commish is satisfied they did, so let's move on.
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Respect T.O. Killa..now all of you good ole boys can have your meeting here..
You're really the only one showing an ill regard of particular races in these threads man.
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Since when is life fair?
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I think the dearth of minority coaches in a league with such a high percet6age of minority players is striking. It has probably less to do with actual racism rather much less treacherous reasons like simply being a culture thing. I am not usually a big fan of sledge hammer ideas like a Rooney rule but in this case the league decided to so it and I think it will help change the culture issue sooner so it is a good idea...As long as there is the understanding that at some point you get rid of the rule.

Title IX falls into the same boat for me. It has done its job admirably and very much helped raise the equality of sports in in college but it is causing problems unfairly now and should be thrown out. It has successfully changed the culture so it is time to kill it. But they haven't.
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I don't think it's necessary to ask whether the Skins followed the rules because that has been a non-issue from the start. The commish is satisfied they did, so let's move on.
Well, Im going to assume that most in here are not people of color. For those who are of color, we find it hard to just "accept" things off of merit, when it comes to race, just because someone says that they followed the rules.

The Rooney rule is a positive step in the right direction for diversity amongst the head coaching and GM ranks in the NFL. However, it is far from being perfect, and even farther from actually having an working long term. When one can use the current loopholes to bypass the system, it defeats the purpose when we see a guy resigns and then a replacements in less than 24 hours. I am skeptical of the time it took from hearing about Cerrato's resignation to the time we found out the Allen would be replacing him.

Now, can we honestly sit here and say, with that time frame, that there was enough time to SERIOUSLY consider an African American, Asian America or Hispanic/Latino for the GM job? I seriously doubt that is possible.

I honestly feel that if Dan Snyder did follow the Rooney Rule, it was just so that he could pacify the league. He really just wanted to bypass the system so he could get his man. Snyder is a man who likes to get what he wants by any means necessary, and it would make perfect sense for him to say he considered someone seriously when all he did was go through the motions in order to get Allen.

Now, if there is anyone who doubts me, you can help us all find the truth if we can answer these two requests:

1) find out the minority or minorities that we did interview for GM job

2) then lets find out how many people of color(that are not Jerry Gray or Greg Blache) we interview before Shannahan, Gruden, Cowher, or Holmgren show up in Burgundy and Gold.

Im just saying, don't be so quick to drink the Kool-Aid. Racism still exists. I applaud TO Killa for bringing this up, and I pray that all those who are not in the "minority" would take this issue seriously, because one day those in the majority may find themselves in the minority.

A wise man once said, "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first." Things have a way of correcting themselves, while teaching a valuable lesson. One would be wise to heed such a lesson.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:59 PM   #10
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I honestly feel that if Dan Snyder did follow the Rooney Rule, it was just so that he could pacify the league.
If this was the case, I'm fine with that. There's no way you can make it 100% fair. But the Rooney Rule is fair enough. As long as a minority candidate is given a chance for an opportunity, then I'm fine with it.

And for you all that think the Rooney Rule is unfair towards non-minorities - it's not a given opportunity, it's a given chance at an opportunity.

Big difference.
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...No and Yes.
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I'm with the people who say that it is unfair to waste the minority's time with the interview, when it is obvious that the team already has someone that they want to hire.

I would not want to be the minority person whose time is wasted just for the sake of a team pacifying the rule...
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The best man for the job. How about that?
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Well, Im going to assume that most in here are not people of color. For those who are of color, we find it hard to just "accept" things off of merit, when it comes to race, just because someone says that they followed the rules.

The Rooney rule is a positive step in the right direction for diversity amongst the head coaching and GM ranks in the NFL. However, it is far from being perfect, and even farther from actually having an working long term. When one can use the current loopholes to bypass the system, it defeats the purpose when we see a guy resigns and then a replacements in less than 24 hours. I am skeptical of the time it took from hearing about Cerrato's resignation to the time we found out the Allen would be replacing him.

Now, can we honestly sit here and say, with that time frame, that there was enough time to SERIOUSLY consider an African American, Asian America or Hispanic/Latino for the GM job? I seriously doubt that is possible.

I honestly feel that if Dan Snyder did follow the Rooney Rule, it was just so that he could pacify the league. He really just wanted to bypass the system so he could get his man. Snyder is a man who likes to get what he wants by any means necessary, and it would make perfect sense for him to say he considered someone seriously when all he did was go through the motions in order to get Allen.

Now, if there is anyone who doubts me, you can help us all find the truth if we can answer these two requests:

1) find out the minority or minorities that we did interview for GM job

2) then lets find out how many people of color(that are not Jerry Gray or Greg Blache) we interview before Shannahan, Gruden, Cowher, or Holmgren show up in Burgundy and Gold.

Im just saying, don't be so quick to drink the Kool-Aid. Racism still exists. I applaud TO Killa for bringing this up, and I pray that all those who are not in the "minority" would take this issue seriously, because one day those in the majority may find themselves in the minority.

A wise man once said, "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first." Things have a way of correcting themselves, while teaching a valuable lesson. One would be wise to heed such a lesson.
Sources are saying that we interviewed at least one.. around 10 days ago or so.

What do you think is enough time to consider a minority? Does that vary from the time it takes to consider anybody else?

Do you have an statistics on the percentage of men that want these jobs? That are qualified?

It's ridiculous to look at it in terms of race when there are qualified people of many races. There are what.. 6 or 7 black head coaches? Right around 20pct of the coaches, which is a higher percentage than the actual racial demographics of the USA. Maybe not the same as players in the NFL, but honestly, not everyone that has played is good enough to coach.. or even become a broadcaster, so I don't really look at that argument much.

Coaches of all colors have had successes and failures and that is the way that it will remain. When we no longer have to bring race into the discussion it will be much better. Unfortunately it seems to come equally from both sides, it won't disappear just from the whites overlooking it.
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The best man for the job. How about that?
as much as i hate to admit this, i agree. im friends with a ton of minorities, and they all hate affirmative action, which is what this is loosely based on. lets go with qualifications, not skin pigmentation
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