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Old 01-05-2010, 01:55 PM   #826
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Wrong. Tomlin and Cowher won with teams built by Kevin Colbert, the general manager.
And Shanahan never won a thing with a team he built as defacto GM - the same thing he'd be here.
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Old 01-05-2010, 01:56 PM   #827
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And Shanahan never won a thing with a team he built as defacto GM - the same thing he'd be here.
Never said that he did.
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Just move on BHA is a Negative Nancy.
Nothing's been decided yet. I'm being "negative" about a potential move i see as the 2nd best one we could make. Once Shanahan is hired, i'll move on and hope he is better than he's ever shown he can be. you're just pissed because i'm stating undisputable facts about the records of two coaches. if there's only two sticks, we're definitely getting the shorter one with shanahan.
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Career record 138-90-0 (Regular Season)
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12-9 (playoff record)
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I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's
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Cowher won 1 SB
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Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:
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I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.
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why? Snyder is loaded to the gills, and has already proven he will spend money.
Plus, he wants to win. It's worth the money to finally succeed as an owner. I'm sure we won't be whining about the money as Shanahan is hoisting the Lombardi.
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I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's


Cowher won 1 SB


Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:


Cowher was in 2 championship games:


I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.

Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.
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I don't get the facination of Cowher over Shanahan. Their records are similar?

During play offs Cowher has a .75% and Shanahan has a .625%. So Cowher also played more games. roughly about 10 more games during the regular season and 8 more in play off situations. Cowher has 8 more games to work with in the play offs he should have a better % then Shanahan. During regular season Cohwer had a .615% and Shanahan had a .650%. Cowher had like 10 more games. He should have a better % but didn't during the regular season.

Shanahan has won 3 SB's


Cowher won 1 SB


Shanahan was in 5 championship games in which they won:


Cowher was in 2 championship games:


I love all the fluff for Cowher but I really don't see that the difference is all that great but if you ask me Shanahan has more playoffs and SB's. Am I missing something? One would think you go with the best coach, the coach that has a better chance of taking you to the playoffs, one that has been there more often, and the one that has won more? But to grasp at anything to be able to play Cowher as being the better HC people say Shanahan only did it with a pro bowl QB or a Hall of Fame QB. Nice. I hope you guys can come up with a better arguement then that. Dan Marino is a Hall of Fame QB and he has not won a SB. So I guess all of his coach's sucked.

I'm warming to the idea of Shanahan. I'm atleast giving it the idea it will work. As opposed to Zorn which I was unsure about and a lot of people were all excited about cause he was supposed to be the no name up and commer. The next JG's. Yeah.
Compared to Zorn, I'll take those numbers. Flip a coin.
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Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them.
Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.
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Well if the coaches were the only element in the game we could really break it down. However, it's not a 1 on 1 sport between coaches, so we'll just have to see.
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BHA, are you taking into account times when Shanahan's Broncos won the division and earned a bye while Cowher's Steelers had to play a Wild Card game? I mean to me that's essentially a playoff win (with an asterisk) when you earn a bye.
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Cowher has more playoff games to work with in the scenario because he actuall WON playoff games and could ummm... whats the word?... ADVANCE in the playoffs. Shanahan had just as many "opportunities" yet he didn't capitalize on them. Cowher got BETTER as his career progressed. Shanahan got worse.
Cowher must have been very special to the Rooney family it took him what 15 years to win a Super Bowl. Most coaches don't get that long and only have 1 Super Bowl Ring & 2 AFC Championships.
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Nothing's been decided yet. I'm being "negative" about a potential move i see as the 2nd best one we could make. Once Shanahan is hired, i'll move on and hope he is better than he's ever shown he can be. you're just pissed because i'm stating undisputable facts about the records of two coaches. if there's only two sticks, we're definitely getting the shorter one with shanahan.
If the "sticks" are Lombardi trophies, Shanahan's got two, and Bill only has one.
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Cowher and Shanahan are pretty comparable, Shanahan being offensive minded and Cowher defensive minded. Shanahan won 2 SB's with Elway, Cowher lost one with Neil O'Donnell and won one with Rothlisberger.
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Nothing's been decided yet. I'm being "negative" about a potential move i see as the 2nd best one we could make. Once Shanahan is hired, i'll move on and hope he is better than he's ever shown he can be. you're just pissed because i'm stating undisputable facts about the records of two coaches. if there's only two sticks, we're definitely getting the shorter one with shanahan.

Dude you are getting wrecked on here, sign off for the day.
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Again maybe I'm missing something. Cowher had about 10 more games across the board. He should have had more chances. But I guess your talking about winning the season and making it to the Championship game.... Hmmm Shanahan has won more? That means Cowher basically out of all the times he supposedly went he only won 2? He sounds like the Cowboys right now. Been to the play offs many of times but can't get past the first round. I'd rather have a HC who can get past the Championship round.

I think it's funny. I wanted Shottenheimer and every said no he sucks he can't get past the Championship round. But you'll take Cowher who can't simply cause he offers more chances? Shottenheimer offered more chances also but he supposedly sucked.
you are missing something. The 10 more games accross the board is the result of one extra season of coaching... resulting in 1 additional potential season for a playoff appearance.

As i stated over and over again, cowhers teams not only made the playoffs more times than shanahan (66% of the time vs 47%), but when his teams made the playoffs, they actually won games. shanahan didnt. there's an even greater disparity if you look at just the last 3, 5 and 10 years. Shanahan had most of his success early in his career. cowher had more success recently. its a "what have you done for me lately" league and cowhers done MUCH more lately. Both are better than Zorn, but Cowher is immensely better than Shanahan.
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