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Old 01-05-2010, 03:22 PM   #871
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I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and playoff results.

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did.

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

Last 3 years
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

Last 10 years
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.
I didn't realize Shanahan's success as a head coach happened almost twenty years ago. I thought this was 2010, not 2020?
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Hopefully Shanahan's not getting tips on coaching the Skins from his golf buddy
Come on, he could tell Shanny who to get as our next great QB/WR combo!
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I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and playoff results.

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did.

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

Last 3 years
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

Last 10 years
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.

i don't know for sure,but i would have to think that the defenses by each team during those years had something to do with their final records. niether shanny nor cower should be blamed or praised for their teams defense. they were head coaches not dc's.
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Re: Report: Shanahan to DC done deal

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I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and playoff results.

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did.

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

Last 3 years
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

Last 10 years
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.
That's total nonsense. It's a team effort, and it's the whole organization that builds a team. Not just the head coach. Just because coach A was successful on one team, or not successful. Doesn't mean that he won't be successful on another.

How many coaches have won superbowls or made the playoffs for one team, and failed to deliver in another?

I'm happy that Shanny is going to be our new coach. I'm excited to see the run game be established again in D.C.
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I'm not getting into that level of detail. I didnt break down playoff wins/losses. I broke down regular season wins/losses and playoff results.

Its a "what have you done for me lately" league. What Shanahan did almost 20 years ago is about as relevent to what Joe Gibbs 1.0 did.

What we should all be most concerned about is what did they each do in their past 3-10 years, because it most closely resembles what we could expect here.

Last 3 years
Cowher - 43-14 (0.708) in the Regular Season. Playoff Runs: 2. Results: 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan 24-24 (0.500) in the Regular Season. Playoffs Runs: 0.

Last 10 years
Cowher - Playoff Runs: 6. Results: 2 Losses in the AFC Divisional Game, 3 Losses in the AFC Championship Game, 1 Superbowl Championship.

Shanahan - Playoff Runs: 4. Results: 3 Losses in the Wild-Card Round, 1 Loss in the AFC Championship Game (to the Steelers).

Based on their recent records, with Shanahan, we can expect to make the playoffs less than half the time. When we do make the playoffs, it'll be as a wild-card and 75% of the time we'll lose in the wild-card round. Basically, Shanahan in Washington should feel A LOT like Gibbs 2.0. If that's good enough for you, then I guess we just have different hopes and expectations for our team.
You sound like the Dallas fans who come on here and say ... " Dallas has a better record in the last 10 yrs." but they don't want to look at 15 or 20 yrs worth of stats.

I'll buy the fact that I think Cowher would be better based off the fact he would be a disciplinarian and would not put up with the crap some of the players have tried. Shanahan I'm worried about but I have heard he treats all the players equal and there is no prima dona's on his teams. Funny he tried for T.O.

Although he would be HC (Shanahan) you still have to go beyond that and look at his supporting cast and Kyle Shanahan looks to be pretty good with his top 10 offense. Maybe dad can help get the running game back in order and son can get the passing game in order.
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Gee...how many Super Bowls did Belichick win when he was head coach of Cleveland? Both resumes would be impressive enough to win the coaching job in D.C., but you can pretty much throw out any stats you are using to support your argument. You can't go by what either coach did in other cities and expect the same exact results. You would hope that happens, but this is a different situation. So, saying that Shanahan had a certain winning percentage at the tail end of his career in Denver and say that is what to expect in Washington year in and year out is a ridiculously stupid assumption.

I say enough of this time wasting argument. Shanahan is the Redskins next Head Coach. Just deal with it and be thankful we're getting a head coach who has had success in the NFL in the last decade or so.
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There are so many factors behind the success of a coach. Tossing around numbers like they prove anything beyond a doubt is a little silly to me.

Cowher and Shanahan are both fine coaches, some of the best in the biz. For any team looking for a coach, both guys would be at the top of most wish lists.

Considering what we've been through, the future sure looks so much brighter now with some proven football minds at the top of the organization.
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Gee...how many Super Bowls did Belichick win when he was head coach of Cleveland? Both resumes would be impressive enough to win the coaching job in D.C., but you can pretty much throw out any stats you are using to support your argument. You can't go by what either coach did in other cities and expect the same exact results. You would hope that happens, but this is a different situation. So, saying that Shanahan had a certain winning percentage at the tail end of his career in Denver and say that is what to expect in Washington year in and year out is a ridiculously stupid assumption.

I say enough of this time wasting argument. Shanahan is the Redskins next Head Coach. Just deal with it and be thankful we're getting a head coach who has had success in the NFL in the last decade or so.
and not a QB coach moved to HC, or an unproven OC.
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I didn't realize Shanahan's success as a head coach happened almost twenty years ago. I thought this was 2010, not 2020?
Ok, i'll be more specific. 1997 and 1998. Guess thats what? 11 and 12 years ago? (Admittedly not 20, but more than 10). Since then, Shanahan hasn't done anything impressive. Cowher on the other hand, had most of his success in his most recent 10 years.

If you look at their two careers, they appear to be going in different directions. Cowher - UP, Shanahan, Down.

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i don't know for sure,but i would have to think that the defenses by each team during those years had something to do with their final records. niether shanny nor cower should be blamed or praised for their teams defense. they were head coaches not dc's.
The head coach is JUST as responsible for the teams defense as he is the offense, so i don't get your point here. If we were talking about offensive or defensive coordinators, then it would make sense to compare how their individual units performed. The head coach is responsible for results: coaching a team that can win football games and go to the playoffs.

I say enough of this time wasting argument. Shanahan is the Redskins next Head Coach. Just deal with it and be thankful we're getting a head coach who has had success in the NFL in the last decade or so.[/QUOTE]

Shanahan hasn't had success in the last decade and thats my problem with him. He's been on a downward spiral since elway retired. To his credit, his offense were always good and he's been researching the NFLs successful franchises during this past year. IMO shanahan won't succeed here unless he sticks to coaching his side of the ball and entrusts the defense to an agressive defensive coordinator. Shanahan's defenses have been very poor historically, otherwise he would still be coaching in denver.
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and not a QB coach moved to HC, or an unproven OC.
I heard Cleveland's QB coach was available, maybe we should dump this dumb Shanahan talk and sign him up - at vet min of course.
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Ok, i'll be more specific. 1997 and 1998. Guess thats what? 11 and 12 years ago? (Admittedly not 20, but more than 10). Since then, Shanahan hasn't done anything impressive. Cowher on the other hand, had most of his success in his most recent 10 years.

If you look at their two careers, they appear to be going in different directions. Cowher - UP, Shanahan, Down.
BHA, another way to look at that, is that Cowher took a long time to get his team set up the way he wanted it, again, he won't get that here. Shanahan took an existing team and got it functionally better, that is a better model for what we want. Shanahan Sr won't be coaching for 10 years here, maybe 5 at most, and then he will pass the torch to his son, IF everything goes good. It will be a better longterm solution.

I am confident that I am looking at it with rose colored glasses, and if in the end its another fiasco, i'll be ticked, but I believe these changes are going to bring the Redskins franchise out of the NFL doghouse, and I am glad about that. Cowher wouldn't do that, I don't think. I think he would come in and fight DS and in the end he would leave and our franchise would be in worse shape. But I can acknowledge that is pure speculation, and that if he was coming here, I would probably be supporting the move as much as I do Shanahan's (hopefully) imminent hiring.
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The head coach is JUST as responsible for the teams defense as he is the offense, so i don't get your point here. If we were talking about offensive or defensive coordinators, then it would make sense to compare how their individual units performed. The head coach is responsible for results: coaching a team that can win football games and go to the playoffs.
all i'm saying is you can't give a head coach too much credit or too much blame for his success in the nfl. true some coaches are better than others but it takes more than just a good hc to make the playoffs year after year and to be able to compete for a super bowl.

you act as if cower is a better coach than shanny just because the steelers were a bit more succssful.
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Ok, i'll be more specific. 1997 and 1998. Guess thats what? 11 and 12 years ago? (Admittedly not 20, but more than 10). Since then, Shanahan hasn't done anything impressive. Cowher on the other hand, had most of his success in his most recent 10 years.
Yeah, 11 and 12 years ago doesn't equal 20 years ago. Nice try.


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If you look at their two careers, they appear to be going in different directions. Cowher - UP, Shanahan, Down.
And looking at the whole body of work from either coach, Shanahan has more Super Bowls. Has only had two seasons that were below .500. While Cowher may or may not have a better winning percentage, it took him his whole career to win one Super Bowl. Mike turned the Broncos around in a short time and turned them into Super Bowl Champions.
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all i'm saying is you can't give a head coach too much credit or too much blame for his success in the nfl. true some coaches are better than others but it takes more than just a good hc to make the playoffs year after year and to be able to compete for a super bowl.

you act as if cower is a better coach than shanny just because the steelers were a bit more succssful.
not just a bit more successful - significantly so in recent history. in addition, the idea is that cowher would bring in guys that he worked with (or their proteges) whereas shanahan is working with a guy with a horrible draft record (only tampa bay counts - allen had absolutely nothing to do with the draft in oakland). Shanahan's draft record as defacto GM in Denver isnt that impressive either. I'd take Cowher and whoever he wanted working with himself and Allen over Shanahan and Allen any day of the week.

That said, I really like Morocco Brown and if he's promoted (as smoot alluded to), then he'll be more involved in the decision making process and can hopefully convince shanahan to make wise moves.
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Come on, he could tell Shanny who to get as our next great QB/WR combo!
or even a QB/QB combo
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