Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants)

Zorn on the 4th of July · 12-22-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

All of the above. I don't know what to think about Jason coming back in. On one hand, no one can possibly say he's not a leader now. On the other, he definitely hurt his stock around the league in doing so. Or at least, I think he did.

Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that he's not a leader.

I said it during the MNF thread, but I see a lot of parallels between his attitude and Chris Leak's attitude at UF before Urban Meyer showed up. Chris Leak was a quiet guy who chose to lead by example. He never complained, never got in anybody's face, and was content to play as hard as he could and do everything he could to help the team win.

For Urban Meyer (and the Gators' winning percentage), this wasn't enough.

Meyer immediately came in and challenged Leak's passion and willingness to be a vocal leader. As a leader, it's not enough to go out, play your hardest, and hope for the best. You have to go out, play your hardest, and make sure everybody around you plays their best, too. It took about a season for Chris Leak to come around, but when he did, we won a National Championship.

I don't expect Jason Campbell to get fired up for the two remaining games (no sense in confronting your teammates when the season is over and the main priority is, in all honesty, keeping everybody healthy).

So I say keep Jason Campbell. There's absolutely no reason why he can't become the complete-package leader this team desperately needs. We have a lot of "skill" issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but keep in mind this team exposed and almost beat the Saints. It's the NFL, and everybody on this roster is in the top 1% of football players in this country.

So who is the leader? On offense, on defense, on special teams. Nobody.

There is NO player leadership on this team, and I don't see much coming from the coaching staff. This team, no matter if they are acquiring free agents or drafting players, has historically ignored the leadership/psychological aspect of this game. They insert players that are intended to address specific issues instead of inserting players who make the other 10 guys on the field play better. So as the other 10 players fail, we scream at Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder, or we yell at a wide receiver spinning the ball during a 2-minute drill. This is bad veteran leadership and bad coaching.

The coaching will be addressed, but what about the players? Sometimes somebody needs to grab these guys by the facemask, and it can't always be a coach. Again, I just want everybody to make it to the end of the season unhurt. It would be a shame for somebody to get seriously hurt in a complete waste and a debacle of a season.

And Jason Campbell doesn't have to jump around and yell and grab people by the facemask. He DOES have to immediately be talking to them after they fail to chip a blitzer, or they run a go pattern when they should have run a crossing pattern. Campbell is a capable quarterback and a great human being, but he is not (yet) a leader. Not even close.

vallin21 · 12-22-2009, 09:37 AM

I felt if we had showed up BA might keep some of the staff, but screw them, and to bring a lathargic act of football to National TV is pathetic. Allen has a helluave lot of work to bring this team back to being respectable.

Ruhskins · 12-22-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that he's not a leader.

I said it during the MNF thread, but I see a lot of parallels between his attitude and Chris Leak's attitude at UF before Urban Meyer showed up. Chris Leak was a quiet guy who chose to lead by example. He never complained, never got in anybody's face, and was content to play as hard as he could and do everything he could to help the team win.

For Urban Meyer (and the Gators' winning percentage), this wasn't enough.

Meyer immediately came in and challenged Leak's passion and willingness to be a vocal leader. As a leader, it's not enough to go out, play your hardest, and hope for the best. You have to go out, play your hardest, and make sure everybody around you plays their best, too. It took about a season for Chris Leak to come around, but when he did, we won a National Championship.

I don't expect Jason Campbell to get fired up for the two remaining games (no sense in confronting your teammates when the season is over and the main priority is, in all honesty, keeping everybody healthy).

So I say keep Jason Campbell. There's absolutely no reason why he can't become the complete-package leader this team desperately needs. We have a lot of "skill" issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but keep in mind this team exposed and almost beat the Saints. It's the NFL, and everybody on this roster is in the top 1% of football players in this country.

So who is the leader? On offense, on defense, on special teams. Nobody.

There is NO player leadership on this team, and I don't see much coming from the coaching staff. This team, no matter if they are acquiring free agents or drafting players, has historically ignored the leadership/psychological aspect of this game. They insert players that are intended to address specific issues instead of inserting players who make the other 10 guys on the field play better. So as the other 10 players fail, we scream at Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder, or we yell at a wide receiver spinning the ball during a 2-minute drill. This is bad veteran leadership and bad coaching.

The coaching will be addressed, but what about the players? Sometimes somebody needs to grab these guys by the facemask, and it can't always be a coach. Again, I just want everybody to make it to the end of the season unhurt. It would be a shame for somebody to get seriously hurt in a complete waste and a debacle of a season.

And Jason Campbell doesn't have to jump around and yell and grab people by the facemask. He DOES have to immediately be talking to them after they fail to chip a blitzer, or they run a go pattern when they should have run a crossing pattern. Campbell is a capable quarterback and a great human being, but he is not (yet) a leader. Not even close.

Kinda hard being the leader when the ownership clearly doesn't want you there.

Defensewins · 12-22-2009, 09:37 AM

It is better this way. THis way we do not get a false sense of improved play and the SKins can be assured a higher draft pick.
The one thing that cemented it for me and proves the players on this team except for maybe Haynesworth have losers mentality: when losing by three or more TD's, Santana Moss made a first down completion and spun the ball and started celebrating. Santana Moss YOU ARE AN IDIOT! You do not celebrate when losing that bad. Besides not having the talent, these players do not know what it means to be a winner.

davy · 12-22-2009, 09:45 AM

I think the biggest problem was the coaching.

As SS said in his first post, we were badly outcoached on both sides of the ball early in the game. Their gameplan, playcalling and execution was perfect while we didn't seem to have a clue what we were doing.

Looking back, the first game with the Giants was very similar. The only reason the score on that occasion didn't reflect their overwhelming superiority was because of them not finishing their drives as well as they did last night.

Obviously when you get a team with nothing to play for down early against a team with everything to play for it's likely to get ugly.

I'm hopeful we can bounce back next week and show some of the spirit that we have in the previous few games.

Chico23231 · 12-22-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say that he's not a leader.

I said it during the MNF thread, but I see a lot of parallels between his attitude and Chris Leak's attitude at UF before Urban Meyer showed up. Chris Leak was a quiet guy who chose to lead by example. He never complained, never got in anybody's face, and was content to play as hard as he could and do everything he could to help the team win.

For Urban Meyer (and the Gators' winning percentage), this wasn't enough.

Meyer immediately came in and challenged Leak's passion and willingness to be a vocal leader. As a leader, it's not enough to go out, play your hardest, and hope for the best. You have to go out, play your hardest, and make sure everybody around you plays their best, too. It took about a season for Chris Leak to come around, but when he did, we won a National Championship.

I don't expect Jason Campbell to get fired up for the two remaining games (no sense in confronting your teammates when the season is over and the main priority is, in all honesty, keeping everybody healthy).

So I say keep Jason Campbell. There's absolutely no reason why he can't become the complete-package leader this team desperately needs. We have a lot of "skill" issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but keep in mind this team exposed and almost beat the Saints. It's the NFL, and everybody on this roster is in the top 1% of football players in this country.

So who is the leader? On offense, on defense, on special teams. Nobody.

There is NO player leadership on this team, and I don't see much coming from the coaching staff. This team, no matter if they are acquiring free agents or drafting players, has historically ignored the leadership/psychological aspect of this game. They insert players that are intended to address specific issues instead of inserting players who make the other 10 guys on the field play better. So as the other 10 players fail, we scream at Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder, or we yell at a wide receiver spinning the ball during a 2-minute drill. This is bad veteran leadership and bad coaching.

The coaching will be addressed, but what about the players? Sometimes somebody needs to grab these guys by the facemask, and it can't always be a coach. Again, I just want everybody to make it to the end of the season unhurt. It would be a shame for somebody to get seriously hurt in a complete waste and a debacle of a season.

And Jason Campbell doesn't have to jump around and yell and grab people by the facemask. He DOES have to immediately be talking to them after they fail to chip a blitzer, or they run a go pattern when they should have run a crossing pattern. Campbell is a capable quarterback and a great human being, but he is not (yet) a leader. Not even close.

Very very well stated. JC is a tough player with some quality skills, but he has shown very little leadership. Like to see him here next year, still a chance he gain it with a coach who has full confidence in him.

mlmdub130 · 12-22-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Finally, let's tip our hats to the Giants who came in and played like a team with a purpose. We were overmatched in every phase of the game.

i will tip my hat to most but brandon jacbos is a first class douche bag

We took the stadium over," Brandon Jacobs said. "You know, that's what we do every year here. We come to D.C., half of the stadium is Giants fans.

D.C. Sports Bog - Jacobs: "We took the stadium over"

I didn't throw a punch," Jacobs said, when asked point-blank whether he did. "I got jumped. I got jumped by two guys. I tried to get out of there, but one had me and one was hitting me. But it is what it is. I guess those guys [are teammates], and they worked together."

D.C. Sports Bog - Jacobs: "I'm not scared of anybody"

Ruhskins · 12-22-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davy

I think the biggest problem was the coaching.

As SS said in his first post, we were badly outcoached on both sides of the ball early in the game. Their gameplan, playcalling and execution was perfect while we didn't seem to have a clue what we were doing.

Looking back, the first game with the Giants was very similar. The only reason the score on that occasion didn't reflect their overwhelming superiority was because of them not finishing their drives as well as they did last night.

Obviously when you get a team with nothing to play for down early against a team with everything to play for it's likely to get ugly.

I'm hopeful we can bounce back next week and show some of the spirit that we have in the previous few games.

It's just pathetic how this coaching staff can't adjust to game situations. In offense, the coaching staff for some reason thought the line would hold, and it didn't...on defense, they kept getting burned by screen passes, yet kept blitzing like crazy.

SmootSmack · 12-22-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yeah, he looked scared tonight, but he actually hasn't played that way in the last several weeks. I don't know if it was the Giants, or primetime, or the fact that the rest of the team mailed it in, but he definitely didn't have it last night... And because of that, gave all the haters an excuse to come out of the woodwork.

Well if you're going to play scared against a division opponent on national tv in primetime...then you're going to rightfully get hated on.

I agree though he hadn't played that way in recent weeks. Still, it's a lot different playing at Oakland

SBXVII · 12-22-2009, 10:12 AM

Two things:

1) Why weren't the Refs not calling all the holding calls? I'm not trying to make excuses for the defense. We had major issues last night, but on almost every play the Giants RG #76 was holding. I also thought I saw Carter being held most of the evening. It doesn't explain why the offense sucked.

2) Sorry to say I didn't see the second half of the game. I figured if the team was not going to show up then I didn't need to either. Bring on Dallas.

skinsfan69 · 12-22-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

In my opinion, every player should be on the list except for Albert Haynesworth. I was opposed to signing Haynesworth and still think he's not worth the investment. That said, tonight he played well and I liked the fire he showed. I usually blast players for drawing flags, but I make a special exception for players who draw flags while defending teammates. Haynesworth has been flagged twice for defending Hall. He's got that nasty attitude and shows loyalty to his teammates. I love it.

Haynesworth defends his teammates and that's all he's worth. The guy can't play two plays in a row w/out coming out of the game. Pathetic. He's useless.

redsk1 · 12-22-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well if you're going to play scared against a division opponent on national tv in primetime...then you're going to rightfully get hated on.

I agree though he hadn't played that way in recent weeks. Still, it's a lot different playing at Oakland

I agree. When is the last time JC has stepped up in a primetime, "big" game? This wasn't even a big game. He looked scared from the beginning. The line was horrible. The coaching didn't help. It was just a horrible, embarrassing night. Alot that happened last night wasn't JC's fault. He didn't play well though and looked shell-shocked out there.

redsk1 · 12-22-2009, 10:36 AM

My Smackdown:

Moss: stop acting like a jack ass- i'm adding you to my I'm so done w/ list
Refs: call a fair game
The entire Skins coaching staff: You were outcoached by a wide margin last night
Danny Smith: Holy shittyness
Brandon Jacobs: You may now be on my most hated list
London Fletcher: Thanks for you effort last night, at least one player was playing
Orakpo: We all knew, but your coverage needs alot of work
Landry: Add safety to our list of needs- This saddens me, but you can't tackle or cover

tryfuhl · 12-22-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

. Danny Smith too, yeah he called a couple fakes this year, f8ck him.

Pretty sure Smith isn't making the decision to fake it.

tryfuhl · 12-22-2009, 10:41 AM

Haynesworth apparently said that from what he's seen we can play football.. but it's definitely not showing in our record and that game.. says that people are going in all different directions and what the team needs is a leader that can get them all working together.

I assume he's referring to coaching deficiencies?

12-22-2009, 09:37 AM	#47
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vienna Va Posts: 1,025	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants) I felt if we had showed up BA might keep some of the staff, but screw them, and to bring a lathargic act of football to National TV is pathetic. Allen has a helluave lot of work to bring this team back to being respectable.

12-22-2009, 09:37 AM	#49
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants) It is better this way. THis way we do not get a false sense of improved play and the SKins can be assured a higher draft pick. The one thing that cemented it for me and proves the players on this team except for maybe Haynesworth have losers mentality: when losing by three or more TD's, Santana Moss made a first down completion and spun the ball and started celebrating. Santana Moss YOU ARE AN IDIOT! You do not celebrate when losing that bad. Besides not having the talent, these players do not know what it means to be a winner.

12-22-2009, 09:45 AM	#50
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 677	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants) I think the biggest problem was the coaching. As SS said in his first post, we were badly outcoached on both sides of the ball early in the game. Their gameplan, playcalling and execution was perfect while we didn't seem to have a clue what we were doing. Looking back, the first game with the Giants was very similar. The only reason the score on that occasion didn't reflect their overwhelming superiority was because of them not finishing their drives as well as they did last night. Obviously when you get a team with nothing to play for down early against a team with everything to play for it's likely to get ugly. I'm hopeful we can bounce back next week and show some of the spirit that we have in the previous few games. __________________ “Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.”

12-22-2009, 10:12 AM	#55
SBXVII Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,498	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants) Two things: 1) Why weren't the Refs not calling all the holding calls? I'm not trying to make excuses for the defense. We had major issues last night, but on almost every play the Giants RG #76 was holding. I also thought I saw Carter being held most of the evening. It doesn't explain why the offense sucked. 2) Sorry to say I didn't see the second half of the game. I figured if the team was not going to show up then I didn't need to either. Bring on Dallas.

12-22-2009, 10:36 AM	#58
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants) My Smackdown: Moss: stop acting like a jack ass- i'm adding you to my I'm so done w/ list Refs: call a fair game The entire Skins coaching staff: You were outcoached by a wide margin last night Danny Smith: Holy shittyness Brandon Jacobs: You may now be on my most hated list London Fletcher: Thanks for you effort last night, at least one player was playing Orakpo: We all knew, but your coverage needs alot of work Landry: Add safety to our list of needs- This saddens me, but you can't tackle or cover

12-22-2009, 10:41 AM	#60
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 29 Posts: 12,512	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Giants) Haynesworth apparently said that from what he's seen we can play football.. but it's definitely not showing in our record and that game.. says that people are going in all different directions and what the team needs is a leader that can get them all working together. I assume he's referring to coaching deficiencies?

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