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Old 12-22-2009, 02:28 PM   #16
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Re: The Worst of Vinny

How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:28 PM   #17
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In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"


Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?
I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:29 PM   #18
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overpaying for d hall. especially considering all the guaranteed money.

i think d hall's agent played vinny and got d hall top dollar by not accepting vinny's offers, waiting until FA began and used the interest of the patriots to scare vinny into caving in to d hall's contract demands.

with the d hall signing, i think vinny didnt hold his ground and got out maneuvered in negotiation tactics.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:33 PM   #19
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Signing Haynesworth.
He is a brilliant talent but that contract could handcuff us for a very long time.


I changed my pick, I'm going with D.Hall. Too much money for him...
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:35 PM   #20
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How about the way cut Zorn leggs from under him and slowly took his duties away from him. Turning our team into a circus. Showing no faith in the QB and HC publicly.

Competing with ourselves in contract negotations with AH and D.Hall.
That's a good point. Zorn was his guy. He vouched for him and sold the idea of him as a HC to Danny. Then mid-way through his second season, Vinny publicly castrates him. Apparently he screamed at Zorn after games on more than one occasion. Not to mention how he intentionally didn't say Zorn's name in his departing press conference.

The in-fighting within the organization had apparently become out of control. You know what Vinny, Zorn was your guy.

Another point to mention- I know the hiring process after Gibbs retired was as much Danny as it was Vinny, but that was a total debacle.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:38 PM   #21
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His drafting of multiple linebackers in the midrounds this year was the worst. If we were gonna put Rak at LB, we didn't need to draft Henson and Glenn. We could have used those picks on o-linemen.
We definitely didn't need both. I think I would agree with you there
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:39 PM   #22
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I mean, that's relatively specific. Let's face it, that's a massive failure of Vinny's. I don't have a list of draftees he passed on or FA's he ignored, but all the flashy additions he's made without bolstering the O-line is like trying to strap a jet engine on a Pinto. It ain't gonna fly.
To me that's more about his overall philosophy, not one single decision.
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In his 2 years as Executive Vice President, what do you think was Vinny's single worst player-roster move?

Try to be specific, not just "he didn't address the line"

Was it trading a 2nd and a 6th for Jason Taylor?

Was it drafting Malcolm Kelly after we had just drafted Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Was it not re-signing Marcus Washington?

Was it drafting a punter?
Hands down the worst move he ever made and he should've been fired for that move alone. That 2nd round pick could've been an o linemen. The guy didn't want to be here, he didn't train during the off season and he left after one year. Have faith in your backups. Hopefully the new guy will.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:42 PM   #24
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Hands down the worst move he ever made and he should've been fired for that move alone. That 2nd round pick could've been an o linemen. The guy didn't want to be here, he didn't train during the off season and he left after one year. Have faith in your backups. Hopefully the new guy will.
Of course, if we had kept that 2nd rounder, it's more than likely either Cutler or Sanchez is our starting QB this year.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:45 PM   #25
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Of course, if we had kept that 2nd rounder, it's more than likely either Cutler or Sanchez is our starting QB this year.
I guess we can say that move was semi-sucessful.
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I won't say Kelly, because if they get him involved more I still think that he can offer a lot to us. He barely gets into the game and when he does he's often running a "distraction route."

Let's go with Zorn.
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Basically he's an IDIOT! He didn't believe in building a team from the draft (which is a winning way) he tried FA all the time.. He made some solid picks at times but mostly he was retarded.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:53 PM   #28
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Re: The Worst of Vinny

if i remember correctly, everyone here except for i think 1 or 2 people, were happy with the JT trade, me included. i guess fans can be afforded the luxury of hindisght but GM/VP execs cant.

idk i just have trouble knocking vinny for the JT trade, of course we are not privy to everything he knew and have to make our assesments on the bare facts like: daniels done for season, JT was 33 (?) future hall of famer, our pass rush had been non-existent the year before, JT agreed to be here 2 years instead of 1 and retiring like he originally was inclinded to do.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:54 PM   #29
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I won't say Kelly, because if they get him involved more I still think that he can offer a lot to us. He barely gets into the game and when he does he's often running a "distraction route."

Let's go with Zorn.
Re-read the original post
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:59 PM   #30
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That Jason Taylor trade was just downright awful.
count my vote on this one too
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