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Old 12-23-2009, 03:50 PM   #16
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Someone call Blache and tell him to throw Barnes & Tryon out there Sunday and see how it goes... lol

Honestly... we better see more of Barnes over the next 2 games to evaluate him for 2010. I haven't noticed him on the field barely at all this year.
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Can we all agree that Smoot is gone, or a non-factor? I think he's still trying to find where Hakeem Nicks went on that 20 yard dig route.
You know what? F***you! F*** you and the horse you rode in on...

Sigh...Smoot's given it his all for nearly a decade now but it's time for him to go. Though I think we might get one more year out of him
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:52 PM   #18
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I'd put RB before DB. Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason, and Ganther could conceivably all be gone
Yeah, but if the next coach ends up being Shanahan, the undrafted free agents he brings in will be expected to produce in those roles. And I think Portis will be back, in a limited capacity.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:53 PM   #19
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Think about our division as well...

NYG: Steve Smith, Manningham, & Nicks to cover
DAL: Austin & R Williams to cover
PHI: Jackson & Maclin to cover

I mean... has Barnes or Tryon PROVEN they can cover any of those #2s?
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I think that some of our guys are young enough that they can still be coached up and they definitely need to put that work in during the offseason. However I wouldn't mind going the NE route and getting a guy towards the end of his career that isn't too expensive. If we draft we need to draft one early, we have enough project CBs, but I think that we have other glaring needs that need to be addressed early.
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In the secondary, I think Free Safety should be looked at as a bigger need over CB. I think its time to put Laron at Strong and look at a vet at Free to compete with Moore. Laron play has induced its fair share of bitchin this year. Oline is far, far above the biggest need on this team. The other night was an absolute nightmare, and maybe the worst showing by our line this year.
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Sigh...Smoot's given it his all for nearly a decade now but it's time for him to go. Though I think we might get one more year out of him
LOL.

Watching him try to play the last two years has just been depressing. I've completely forgotten the second half of the 2007 season, when he was inexplicably great in Sean's absence. We really should have thanked him and put him out to pasture at the end of last year, as there's no reason that Westbrook couldn't get burned exactly the same way Smoot is.
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In the secondary, I think Free Safety should be looked at as a bigger need over CB. I think its time to put Laron at Strong and look at a vet at Free to compete with Moore. Laron play has induced its fair share of bitchin this year. Oline is far, far above the biggest need on this team. The other night was an absolute nightmare, and maybe the worst showing by our line this year.
Obligatory Ryan Clark reference.

Clark and Hall at FS for us next year!
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:58 PM   #24
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I always read on this site about next year's QB and line needing to be worked out... which I agree with... Our offensive line is a MAJOR need...

but...

Isn't cornerback going to be just as big a need to address as OL in the offseason??

If Rogers goes, which he very likely will, we will have D Hall and who else?? Tryon?? Smoot?? Westbrook?? Those 3 aren't good enough to be trusted to play nickel, much less 2nd starter.

We need TWO corners who are step ups from those 3 for sure.

I'm thinking the team COULD surprise everyone and go with a guy like CB Joe Hayden out of Florida with the first pick in the draft and draft linemen with the rest. (I mean no one knows).

I'd rather get a corner through FA and draft line, line, line... but the point is we HAVE TO HAVE a starting CB in 2010 opposite D. Hall....

and I'm sure Bruce Allen knows this after he took copious notes on our pass defense (or lack-thereof) against the G-Men.


EDIT: I left out Kevin Barnes ... but considering he hasn't seen the field this year over Smoot or Tryon... ummm ... I have no clue what he can contribute
I have to disagree with your sentiments here. This does not mean that you do not have a legitimate argument. I just do not see things the same way that you do. First, I will start by saying that we have been pampered here in Washington with very good DB play though it may not always seem that way. Over the years 75-100% of our starting defensive backs were selected in the first round. Some games they have looked good and some days they have looked not so good, but it is rare that they absolutely look terrible or not so good on a consistent basis. Even this season we have been ranked first or near the top in pass defense.

As far as Rogers is concerned I would not be too worried if he leaves. At one point this season he was benched and we did not miss him. Tyon has really been comming on strong lately and Barnes is still in his first year. These guys will develop. As long as the pass rush stays like it is their should not be that much drop off in production.

I am not saying that we avoid taking DB's but there are much more glaring needs. I would even be so bold as to say that we have a bigger hole or need at Linebacker than we do in the secondary. The bottom line is that the team will never be 100% solid from top to bottom, but we can operate efficiently with what we have at DB, but it is obvious that we cannot with what we have on the offensive line.
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just think about what our d-line did for our cb's this year. we had the number one pass d in the nfl for a while and it sure as shit wasn't because of our secondary
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Yeah, but if the next coach ends up being Shanahan, the undrafted free agents he brings in will be expected to produce in those roles. And I think Portis will be back, in a limited capacity.
Maybe Shanahan could sign this former back of his this spring...or wait a couple of years and target this former back of his
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You know what? F***you! F*** you and the horse you rode in on...

Sigh...Smoot's given it his all for nearly a decade now but it's time for him to go. Though I think we might get one more year out of him
we got one more year for sure he just needs to have two of these before each game instead of his regular one

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just think about what our d-line did for our cb's this year. we had the number one pass d in the nfl for a while and it sure as shit wasn't because of our secondary
I do not think that you are giving the secondary the credit that they deserve. They have played lights out at times. Everyone just wants to focus on the double moves that went for big plays, but no one ever talks about the batted balls, coverage sacks, and balls jarred loose from punishing hits in the secondary.

I would venture to say that if our record was 10-4 that no one would be complaining about this secondary having the same stats. We would still be bitching however, that our QB was taking too many hits.
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I do not think that you are giving the secondary the credit that they deserve. They have played lights out at times. Everyone just wants to focus on the double moves that went for big plays, but no one ever talks about the batted balls, coverage sacks, and balls jarred loose from punishing hits in the secondary.

I would venture to say that if our record was 10-4 that no one would be complaining about this secondary having the same stats. We would still be bitching however, that our QB was taking too many hits.
which is why we need to go o-line because we could have easily gone 10-4 and really should have considering our first 7 games or so, but didn't because our offense has shit the bed this year, mainly due to our line
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Maybe Shanahan could sign this former back of his this spring...or wait a couple of years and target this former back of his
Yeah, if he goes after LeGarrette Blount, I'll be worried.

You're speaking to the president of the "Shanahan can't draft" club. But even though he misses on a lot of picks, the running backs who PLAY always perform.
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