Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches)

53Fan · 12-26-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It can't hold a lead so do you blame the coaches or the players? See it's easy to sit here and blame Blache. Should be do more attacking? Well sure but that puts a strain on the db's and they can't cover worth shit. Maybe the reason why he's conservative is because of the secondary.

Blache is responsible for the scheme and the scheme is usually the problem. What secondary in the NFL doesn't want a strong pass rush from it's d-line? They all do because it makes their job easier. Put Landry at SS and Orakpo at DE where they belong, rush the passer except on obvious running downs and watch how many more INT's these DB's get. Blache doesn't believe in his players, he believes in his scheme, that's why he doesn't let them play and his scheme isn't worth a f**k when it comes down to holding a lead. If the late Jim Johnson or Swartz or Pittsburgh's DC had this defense we'd be kicking ass.

Bigreds77 · 12-26-2009, 07:44 AM

Do you people really want our DB coach running the D? Every game his corners & safety's are out of position. I would like to see Zorn send him packing.

LandrySlice · 12-26-2009, 08:21 AM

Zorn can't send anyone packing accept himself, don't worry everyone, Blache and Gray are both out, whole new staff is coming to town. I like Gray, but it's time for a fresh strart!

KI Skins Fan · 12-26-2009, 08:29 AM

This is Haynesworth playing politics. He knows that Zorn is as good as gone and that there will be other changes. With that in mind, he's campaigning for Blache to go, too.

As for Gray, I've lost respect for him and I hope he goes, as well. That's because I beieve that he did interview for the HC position while he was still working for Zorn. To undermine your boss like that is wrong in my world. Also, I believe that that, by interviewing for a job that he won't even be considered for, Gray helped that weasel, Dan Snyder, to circumvent the spirit and intent of the Rooney Rule.

Longtimefan · 12-26-2009, 09:24 AM

I don't know about you guys but I saw this coming a long time ago, I'm just surprised it took this long to surface. From just listening to Haynesworth in various interviews early on in the season, one could sense the way he felt about the way Blache was using him and it wasn't favorable.

I mentioned in the other Haynesworth thread that I felt Blache should be a little more understanding, realize what he has and tailor his scheme to fit the player as opposed to the other way around. Should Blache be gone, this is a problem hopefully we won't have next year.

44Deezel · 12-26-2009, 10:06 AM

Can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess. Blache definitely doesn't use his players to their fullest potential. Jason Taylor is a good example. Screw the overall Defense STAT. That shit is bogus. It's all about sacks, turnovers and points. We're a bad team that plays a bad schedule every year, and teams never have to get into a shoot out with us in order to beat us. Soooo, at the end of the year, the Defensive stats "look" pretty decent, but in reality, the Skins D is mediocre.

This is just more national media attention that the pathetic Skins don't need right now.

12thMan · 12-26-2009, 10:48 AM

Yep, this is basically the same bone Jason Taylor had to pick with the Redskins. I guess this isn't some little isolated incident between Zorn and Fat Al. In so many words, Haynesworth is telling Blache and Zorn, in fact the entire defensive staff, don't let the door hitcha.

But here's the thing, I think in part he's gone public with this because other players share this same sentiment, but Haynesworth just has the balls to air it publicly.

God, what is it going to take to get this team to play together?

warpaint · 12-26-2009, 10:49 AM

Here is something i just seen on espn.

Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: Coaches all against me - ESPN

12thMan · 12-26-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by warpaint

Here is something i just seen on espn.

Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: Coaches all against me - ESPN

Same thing we're discussing now. It was first reported in WaPo.

Hog1 · 12-26-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yep, this is basically the same bone Jason Taylor had to pick with the Redskins. I guess this isn't some little isolated incident between Zorn and Fat Al. In so many words, Haynesworth is telling Blache and Zorn, in fact the entire defensive staff, don't let the door hitcha.

But here's the thing, I think in part he's gone public with this because other players share this same sentiment, but Haynesworth just has the balls to air it publicly.

God, what is it going to take to get this team to play together?

ask Bruce? he has a plan

warpaint · 12-26-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Same thing we're discussing now. It was firts reported in the WaPo.

Yes but if you read it, it is updated and its quoting AH. He is discussing the reason he was sent home and there are other players that show 2 hours late and the coaches look the other way.

Longtimefan · 12-26-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yep, this is basically the same bone Jason Taylor had to pick with the Redskins. I guess this isn't some little isolated incident between Zorn and Fat Al. In so many words, Haynesworth is telling Blache and Zorn, in fact the entire defensive staff, don't let the door hitcha.

But here's the thing, I think in part he's gone public with this because other players share this same sentiment, but Haynesworth just has the balls to air it publicly.

God, what is it going to take to get this team to play together?

12thMan that's exactly a point I wanted to add. In most cases I have not been in favor of players going public when they have problems of this nature but in this particular case there have been others that have expressed critical views as well. I say kudos to big Al for standing up to Blache and for what he feels to be right for him. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is a phrase coined for Blache. Get out of my face, go sit down and shut up are demands I think I would bristle at too.

12thMan · 12-26-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by warpaint

Yes but if you read it, it is updated and its quoting AH. He is discussing the reason he was sent home and there are other players that show 2 hours late and the coaches look the other way.

Oh right, I did read the ESPN artilcle. It's definitely interesting. Well, more than interesting actually. I just hope Bruce can right the ship and flush out all the BS. Fat Al made it a point to say there wasn't any leadership and guys are overthinking and playing like robots.

That much is obvious, especially when it comes to Jason Campbell.

12thMan · 12-26-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

12thMan that's exactly a point I wanted to add. In most cases I have not been in favor of players going public when they have problems of this nature but in this particular case there have been others that have expressed critical views as well. I say kudos to big Al for standing up to Blache and for what he feels to be right for him. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" is a phrase coined for Blache. Get out of my face, go sit down and shut up are demands I think I would bristle at too.

You know Carlos Rogers has taken a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so, but you can almost sense he's been biting his tongue for a while now. Again, Rogers has been horrible but I think if had the opportunity to be completely candid, I think he'd place some of the blame on his coaches.

franklinhimself · 12-26-2009, 11:20 AM

This situation reminds me of excellent coaches versus not so good coaches.
I'm from Syracuse- and I'm not saying their old football coach (Paul Pasqualoni) was a great coach but i did think much more highly of him after i learned that pretty much directed his staff to uproot their offensive scheme when McNabb came in, recognizing he was an extremely special talent.

I like Blache from the standpoint of an old school disciplinarian whom I think runs our D pretty well, but in the world today you've got to be able to be flexible, and recognize the tremendous talent you have the privilege of working with.

12-26-2009, 07:44 AM	#17
Bigreds77 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 185	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) Do you people really want our DB coach running the D? Every game his corners & safety's are out of position. I would like to see Zorn send him packing.

12-26-2009, 08:21 AM	#18
LandrySlice Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AFGHANISTAN Posts: 334	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) Zorn can't send anyone packing accept himself, don't worry everyone, Blache and Gray are both out, whole new staff is coming to town. I like Gray, but it's time for a fresh strart! __________________ Don't tase me bro!!!!

12-26-2009, 08:29 AM	#19
KI Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: MD Eastern Shore Posts: 1,302	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) This is Haynesworth playing politics. He knows that Zorn is as good as gone and that there will be other changes. With that in mind, he's campaigning for Blache to go, too. As for Gray, I've lost respect for him and I hope he goes, as well. That's because I beieve that he did interview for the HC position while he was still working for Zorn. To undermine your boss like that is wrong in my world. Also, I believe that that, by interviewing for a job that he won't even be considered for, Gray helped that weasel, Dan Snyder, to circumvent the spirit and intent of the Rooney Rule.

12-26-2009, 09:24 AM	#20
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) I don't know about you guys but I saw this coming a long time ago, I'm just surprised it took this long to surface. From just listening to Haynesworth in various interviews early on in the season, one could sense the way he felt about the way Blache was using him and it wasn't favorable. I mentioned in the other Haynesworth thread that I felt Blache should be a little more understanding, realize what he has and tailor his scheme to fit the player as opposed to the other way around. Should Blache be gone, this is a problem hopefully we won't have next year.

12-26-2009, 10:06 AM	#21
44Deezel The Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Davidsonville Posts: 1,434	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) Can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess. Blache definitely doesn't use his players to their fullest potential. Jason Taylor is a good example. Screw the overall Defense STAT. That shit is bogus. It's all about sacks, turnovers and points. We're a bad team that plays a bad schedule every year, and teams never have to get into a shoot out with us in order to beat us. Soooo, at the end of the year, the Defensive stats "look" pretty decent, but in reality, the Skins D is mediocre. This is just more national media attention that the pathetic Skins don't need right now.

12-26-2009, 10:48 AM	#22
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,366	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) Yep, this is basically the same bone Jason Taylor had to pick with the Redskins. I guess this isn't some little isolated incident between Zorn and Fat Al. In so many words, Haynesworth is telling Blache and Zorn, in fact the entire defensive staff, don't let the door hitcha. But here's the thing, I think in part he's gone public with this because other players share this same sentiment, but Haynesworth just has the balls to air it publicly. God, what is it going to take to get this team to play together?

12-26-2009, 10:49 AM	#23
warpaint Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Great State of Texas Posts: 982	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) Here is something i just seen on espn. Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: Coaches all against me - ESPN __________________ "Not only do you get a 1st down, but you get a whole new set of downs" John Madden

12-26-2009, 11:20 AM	#30
franklinhimself Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 110	re: Haynesworth Sent Home From Practice (rips defensive scheme/coaches) This situation reminds me of excellent coaches versus not so good coaches. I'm from Syracuse- and I'm not saying their old football coach (Paul Pasqualoni) was a great coach but i did think much more highly of him after i learned that pretty much directed his staff to uproot their offensive scheme when McNabb came in, recognizing he was an extremely special talent. I like Blache from the standpoint of an old school disciplinarian whom I think runs our D pretty well, but in the world today you've got to be able to be flexible, and recognize the tremendous talent you have the privilege of working with.

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