Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Franchise Quarterbacks

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-28-2009, 07:08 AM   #16
Special Teams
 
LandrySlice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: AFGHANISTAN
Posts: 334
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Yeah, Blache is outy! This has been a tough season to stomach, but a top 5 pick should be a worthy reward! PLEASE TAKE A TACKLE MR ALLEN!
__________________
Don't tase me bro!!!!
LandrySlice is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 12-28-2009, 02:39 PM   #17
Playmaker
 
sportscurmudgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,159
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Donovan McNabb was taken with the #2 overall pick in the draft by the team that had THE WORST RECORD in the NFL the year before. The first pick went to the rejuvenated Cleveland Browns franchise that year; they took Tim Couch.


So, McNabb went to a team with a horrible foundation around him and with a rookie head coach who had never been a head coach at any level before that.


And I suspect that we can agree that McNabb has been sorta successful as a QB, no? So, it looks as if he succeeded in spite of all the things that "were against him" - - except for his physical and mental abilities which made him what he is.
__________________
The Sports Curmudgeon
www.sportscurmudgeon.com
But don't get me wrong, I love sports...
sportscurmudgeon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 03:02 PM   #18
Franchise Player
 
FRPLG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 9,917
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon View Post
Donovan McNabb was taken with the #2 overall pick in the draft by the team that had THE WORST RECORD in the NFL the year before. The first pick went to the rejuvenated Cleveland Browns franchise that year; they took Tim Couch.


So, McNabb went to a team with a horrible foundation around him and with a rookie head coach who had never been a head coach at any level before that.


And I suspect that we can agree that McNabb has been sorta successful as a QB, no? So, it looks as if he succeeded in spite of all the things that "were against him" - - except for his physical and mental abilities which made him what he is.
I think it seems obvious though that McNabb and Manning are exceptions. There aren't a lot of examples of bad teams drafting a good QB and turning it around quickly. Obviously it is possible but it lightening ina bottle. The more reasonable way, and least risky, is to have a solid team in place around him.
FRPLG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 03:09 PM   #19
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,614
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRPLG View Post
I think it seems obvious though that McNabb and Manning are exceptions. There aren't a lot of examples of bad teams drafting a good QB and turning it around quickly. Obviously it is possible but it lightening ina bottle. The more reasonable way, and least risky, is to have a solid team in place around him.
Trying to do this has kind of been our problem, hasn't it?
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 03:25 PM   #20
Franchise Player
 
FRPLG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 9,917
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Trying to do this has kind of been our problem, hasn't it?
Absolutely. We have been a a player or two away every year since Gibbs' 2nd season. Not just QB though.

At least that's what the group think was from the fans up to the top.
FRPLG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 03:39 PM   #21
What will Shanny do this offseason?
 
diehardskin2982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,318
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

The key to making a franchise QB you must build a solid group around the kid and give him the opportunity to be a leader. Do not handcuff the player, set play up to bring out his talent.
__________________
That got ugly fast
diehardskin2982 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2009, 09:57 PM   #22
Registered User
 
GusFrerotte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Detroit area
Posts: 4,153
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

The kid has it or he doesn't. I like the Collinsworth comment about how JC has just run a new O scheme every year of his career going all the way back to HS. JC has developed as much as he can and has improved somewhat since he has been here, but his mechanics of holding onto the ball too long, the happy feet crap, etc are not systemic in nature. It means he still can't scan the entire field in the 2-3 seconds the average NFL Qb has til he has to make the throw. I know the line truly sucked this season, but still it isn't 100% line. I was at the Lions game personally and how long do the guys have to keep a rush off him til he unloads the ball? To be fair to JC, the days of the true franchise QB are coming to an end for the most part when Manning, Brady, Rivers, etc hang it up. Think about it. Every playoff team in the 1980's had HOF QBs and then some. What you have now are a bunch of scrubs for the most part, that are more products of the college system they were in before they were drafted. JC is definitely an above average QB in a league that is filled with scrubs or above average QBs, but not good enough to garner the title of franchise QB. I do not expect any of the glitzy QBs coming out of college to make it in the pros, as they are all system QBs on powerhouse teams that truly did not face too much competition in their respective conferences. Big 12 is a joke for defensive play and the Gators only real competiton all year was Bama and look what happened. Bradford is going to get crushed, McCoy will be reduced to Leinhart's status, and Teebow is overrated period. Clausen is a big question mark for me, but ND QBs have sucked in the NFL after Joey T left the game.
GusFrerotte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 08:23 AM   #23
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,640
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Quote:
Originally Posted by GusFrerotte View Post
The kid has it or he doesn't. I like the Collinsworth comment about how JC has just run a new O scheme every year of his career going all the way back to HS. JC has developed as much as he can and has improved somewhat since he has been here, but his mechanics of holding onto the ball too long, the happy feet crap, etc are not systemic in nature. It means he still can't scan the entire field in the 2-3 seconds the average NFL Qb has til he has to make the throw. I know the line truly sucked this season, but still it isn't 100% line. I was at the Lions game personally and how long do the guys have to keep a rush off him til he unloads the ball? To be fair to JC, the days of the true franchise QB are coming to an end for the most part when Manning, Brady, Rivers, etc hang it up. Think about it. Every playoff team in the 1980's had HOF QBs and then some. What you have now are a bunch of scrubs for the most part, that are more products of the college system they were in before they were drafted. JC is definitely an above average QB in a league that is filled with scrubs or above average QBs, but not good enough to garner the title of franchise QB. I do not expect any of the glitzy QBs coming out of college to make it in the pros, as they are all system QBs on powerhouse teams that truly did not face too much competition in their respective conferences. Big 12 is a joke for defensive play and the Gators only real competiton all year was Bama and look what happened. Bradford is going to get crushed, McCoy will be reduced to Leinhart's status, and Teebow is overrated period. Clausen is a big question mark for me, but ND QBs have sucked in the NFL after Joey T left the game.
I don't think franchise QBs are going away.

After Brady and Manning there are guys like Schaub, Rivers, Romo, Eli, Big Ben who are all under 30 and are the next franchise QBs that will dominate the game once Manning and Brady are gone.

And there are even younger guys like Matt Ryan, Sanchez, Rodgers, Flacco, Henne, Stafford, etc.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 08:40 AM   #24
Impact Rookie
 
doughtydoubter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: the glorious city of DC
Posts: 697
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

You know who i like seiously as a potential qb draft pick?
Jake Locker.
doughtydoubter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 09:00 AM   #25
The Starter
 
SolidSnake84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stephens City, VA
Posts: 1,859
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

I dont think franchise QBs are going away for good, but i agree with that poster somewhat.

Teams aren't going to want a franchise QB as much as they will want someone who can just run the offense from year to year. With the new salary cap rules, this may be born out of necessity.

I just see a team keeping a QB for 3 or 4 years instead of 10-12.....
__________________
Time to nut up or shut up
SolidSnake84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 09:07 AM   #26
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,640
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

What new cap rules?

With the way the league has shifted to more of a passing league, I find this take that franchise QBs are going away to be laughable, frankly.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 09:15 AM   #27
The Starter
 
SolidSnake84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stephens City, VA
Posts: 1,859
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

i was talking about the rumored new cap rules...that will go in place after this season...allegedly.

Won't this limit the big signings and set aside how much a rookie can be given??

thats all i'm saying.
__________________
Time to nut up or shut up
SolidSnake84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 09:20 AM   #28
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,640
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

What are the rumored new cap rules??
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 09:21 AM   #29
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,614
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

Quote:
Originally Posted by doughtydoubter View Post
You know who i like seiously as a potential qb draft pick?
Jake Locker.
Maybe in 2011
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2009, 12:18 PM   #30
The Starter
 
SolidSnake84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Stephens City, VA
Posts: 1,859
Re: Franchise Quarterbacks

So far all I have heard of is the draft becoming more valuable and free agency not meaning as much...That gives me the impression that a team could get themselves a good QB through the draft every 5 or 6 years instead of turning to free agency to fill holes...
__________________
Time to nut up or shut up
SolidSnake84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.30320 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25