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Old 12-29-2009, 01:56 PM   #46
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

To be clear, I'm not saying we should lock up Jason with a long-term deal. I just don't think there is anyone out there, rookie or FA, who can do any better for us in 2010.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:04 PM   #47
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

No.

Ive been wavering back and forth all season on Campbell. Part of me thinks he can be decent with a good o-line and running game. But the fact is everything seems to move slower with JC. Too long in the pocket, too long in his progressions...

Put JC on a good team with a good o-line and he could probably be successful. But unfortunately that's not our team right now and I don't want to wait another 3 years to confirm that JC is average.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:06 PM   #48
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

i would have to go with yes but it up to the new regime.
what matty said..110%.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:10 PM   #49
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

I voted yes, but he's not our answer at qb. If we're drafting a guy then maybe he can backup for a 1/2 year-1 year. We don't have ANY other option at qb on the roster right now either.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:10 PM   #50
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

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No.

Ive been wavering back and forth all season on Campbell. Part of me thinks he can be decent with a good o-line and running game. But the fact is everything seems to move slower with JC. Too long in the pocket, too long in his progressions...

Put JC on a good team with a good o-line and he could probably be successful. But unfortunately that's not our team right now and I don't want to wait another 3 years to confirm that JC is average.
Where is everyone getting this three years stuff from? 2010 is the year in question. Nothing beyond.

For all the "NO" people out there, who do you want that could be any better?

We already know we have a solid but unspectacular QB in Campbell. I think most people agree that with our receiving corps improving, if we give JC a decent line and running game he can be a lot better. What if we don't bring him back and use a high first rounder on a QB that ends up being a bust? Top QB draft choices are a huge roll of the dice. If we miss on one and let Campbell walk, it could set us back a lot more than three years.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:10 PM   #51
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

No.

I'm tired of mediocrity. This entire team needs an overhaul, including the QB.

JC is just going to end up being the second coming of Patrick Ramsey.

...That's right I said it.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:11 PM   #52
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

I really think he will be back, but there will be a rookie in the mix for beyond 2010 or someone will be brought in via a trade.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:16 PM   #53
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I really think he will be back, but there will be a rookie in the mix for beyond 2010 or someone will be brought in via a trade.
100% agree. No one will do a better job for us 2010 than JC, but we have to have a plan in place if he doesn't improve. This is what I think will happen, and I think it's the right move.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:17 PM   #54
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Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

go ahead and blow our first pick on a qb, but give a year or two as backup. so i voted to keep JC. as much as he sucks, he is the best we have right now.
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Where is everyone getting this three years stuff from? 2010 is the year in question. Nothing beyond.

For all the "NO" people out there, who do you want that could be any better?

We already know we have a solid but unspectacular QB in Campbell. I think most people agree that with our receiving corps improving, if we give JC a decent line and running game he can be a lot better. What if we don't bring him back and use a high first rounder on a QB that ends up being a bust? Top QB draft choices are a huge roll of the dice. If we miss on one and let Campbell walk, it could set us back a lot more than three years.
What if the QB turns out to be great but we didnt take him because we tied ourselves to JC? Like I said, the potential reward of a new QB far outweighs being stuck with JC.
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To be clear, I'm not saying we should lock up Jason with a long-term deal. I just don't think there is anyone out there, rookie or FA, who can do any better for us in 2010.
Hmmm. I see that maybe I wasn't clear in my original post. When I was asking if people wanted him back in 2010, I wasn't speaking of only for 2010. I meant 2010 and beyond.

I guess, to put it another way, should we continue with Jason Campbell at all or just move on. That's what I meant by "no caveats" Fish or cut bait basically

Sorry for the confusion
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:21 PM   #57
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Truth is the skins are nowhere near superbowl contention moreless NFC East Champs next couple of years. Is time really a factor it's obvious he doesn't have protect now why place a high dollar investment in danger. When you have a guy that is first round draft that has shown his talent doesn't have a 30+ million dollar contract hasn't had the proper tools around him from day one. The WR corp sucked when he took over the team for Brunell, the line has been injured & subpar every year since he has taken over.
While I agree the Skins are nowhere near a Super Bowl contender, looking at the state of the NFC East, I believe they are within 3 years of winning the division, given that Allen and Shanny make the necessary moves to fill the holes.

I bolded your last sentence because I feel it's a pretty weak argument. For one, here are the WRs that were around when Campbell took the reins from Brunell in 2006: Moss, Randle El, Lloyd, Cooley, Thrash. 3 of those 5 guys are still around and the other 2 pieces have been improved in my opinion (Kelly, Thomas). Add Davis, and Campbell has it better now than he did in 2006.

As far as the O-Line goes, you can argue it's been subpar but you can argue that is has been adequate at times as well (Not this year). However, that comes and goes with the territory. An above average QB (see Rodgers, Aaron this year) can overcome a horrible O-Line.

How many more years of an average QB can the Redskins endure waiting for Campbell to find his spark? Other QBs have wasted no time proving that they are worthy of taking the reins. And while I want nothing more than Campbell to succeed, I just don't see it happening as a Redskin.
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100% agree. No one will do a better job for us 2010 than JC, but we have to have a plan in place if he doesn't improve. This is what I think will happen, and I think it's the right move.
If JC played for another team and the Skins were talking about bringing him here for 2010 99% of the people on this site would be screaming bloody murder.
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No! He can't read defenses and will have to learn his # new offense (which seems to be a reason people give for his lack of development). He sucks in interviews and can't learn to slide!

I want a winner. Bring me Colt McCoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not to derail this thread but for the NO folks out there, let's say you get your wish and he doesn't return. Who do you envision under center for the Redskins for the next 3 years and what is your confidence level that they will be better?

How much of this is the 80-20 rule meaning the most you will ever get is 80% of what you want from someone but many continue to chase that elusive 20% but never find it.
Well lets look at it this way.... Many teams out there said they didn't have JC on their radar and wondered why the Skins did? Most of the pundits after the draft said JC probably would have gone 4th round or later "IF" he was even drafted at all.

I think we are honestly gettig what most teams figured JC to provide...80% or less. We have been chasing the other 20% as you put it "with" JC. So if he's not going to be able to over come the other 20 or even give us 10% more then we might as well move on.

I'm not a Colt fan. I think he will throw too many interceptions, but take a look at Favre. I know I'll get blasted for the comparison but he was picked by Atlanta and they found they could not change his throwing motion. found he throws too many interceptions. So they trade him to Green Bay and he developed into a great QB. He might to well he might not. I'd honestly like to see us find a way to pick Chase back up and have both going into 2010. Plus a drafted QB of Shanahan's choice for his system.

I also am a believer that our QB problem is partially Zorn or rather the QB coach. I know people will say he was supposed to be the best and look what he did with Hasslebach (sp) but I think partially everything that has gone wrong is Zorn trying to change all the QB's throwing motion to include JC, and Colt. Green Bay let Favre be Favre. So what if he had a screwed up throwing motion he could make all the throws. Think about it... what if someone came up to us older folks and said from now on instead of putting your hands at 10 and 2 o'clock you now will have to put your hands at 8 and 4 o'clock? I know they are teaching the latter in school now due to the air bags but I was taught 10 and 2 and I have great difficulty with the other position. Zorn has tried to force JC as well as Colt to change their throwing motion. One in which they have had from a kid through high school, through college, and now into the pros. They have muscle memory with where and when to release the ball with the throwing motion they have used for years and it's worked fine for them. Then Zorn comes in and not only do they have to remember how many steps to back up from the line of scrimmage due to timing, they have to read the defense, and look for an open receiver. Then you throw in the fact that Zorn wants them holding the ball a certain way and throwing the ball a certain way.

I just think the change in throwing motion should have happened back in high school or college. If they don't have the throwing motion you like don't draft them or let them throw they way they have for years and see if they will work out in your system or not. Again it all goes back to trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
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