Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

SmootSmack · 01-04-2010, 03:13 PM

We've talked about this before. Snyder will get his coaches whatever they want which some say makes him a good owner. He'd be a great owner if he didn't always get them what they want. It's almost like a father. The best out there know when it's necessary to say No

diehardskin2982 · 01-04-2010, 03:24 PM

I hope in this house cleaning Snyder pays Shanny more than his highest paid player so that it is made clear that buck literally stops there.

Trample the Elderly · 01-04-2010, 03:26 PM

A Jelly Donut!?

KLHJ2 · 01-04-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I hope in this house cleaning Snyder pays Shanny more than his highest paid player so that it is made clear that buck literally stops there.

That will never happen, not in this day and age.

CRedskinsRule · 01-04-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've talked about this before. Snyder will get his coaches whatever they want which some say makes him a good owner. He'd be a great owner if he didn't always get them what they want. It's almost like a father. The best out there know when it's necessary to say No

That is Bruce Allen's job now right? To say no when the new coach screams I want so and so.

CRedskinsRule · 01-04-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Correct.

Players need to go to and through the coach for concerns. Perhaps Zorn was to blame for some of it, he didn't exactly have much authority to put his foot down and make them listen, especially later on.

Snyder should have stopped it though. No talking to him or Vinny, talk to the coach and he'll relay anything he needs to.

With Allen and Shanahan, I believe this will stop.

Allen's conference addressed this very well I thought. The HC is the leader of the team period. No one else, period. I hope the words are backed up with actions

SmootSmack · 01-04-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That is Bruce Allen's job now right? To say no when the new coach screams I want so and so.

Let's hope so. We need discipline, we don't need to be spending a 3rd round pick on Maurice Clarett or any other similar Shanahanigans...too soon?

sportscurmudgeon · 01-04-2010, 04:40 PM

The formula for success in the NFL starts with getting sufficient talent on the squad and then molding that talent into a team.

It is pretty clear that I am not nearly as enamored with the talent level on this roster as of 1/4/09 as many others around here are. Of the 22 starters the Skins put on the field for most of the games this year, I'd be surprised if half of them would be starters on a team with a winning record. The team needs a talent upgrade.

Having said that, the Redskins have not been a real team for years now. Bruce Smith used to whine to Danny Boy when he didn't get enough snaps; this is not something that just happened the day before yesterday. And when there are "back-channel" ways to get around the coach, you don't have a team; you have an assemblage of individuals who are playing for individual agendas as much as for team outcomes.

Dirtbag59 · 01-04-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Let's hope so. We need discipline, we don't need to be spending a 3rd round pick on Maurice Clarett or any other similar Shanahanigans...too soon?

Makes you wonder about Gerhart in the 3rd? Crap never mind, we don't have a 3rd round pick......for now. However, with that said I wouldn't mind seeing a trade down from our second round pick. Assuming of course a quality offensive tackle could be identified by the scouting department.

CRedskinsRule · 01-04-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Makes you wonder about Gerhart in the 3rd? Crap never mind, we don't have a 3rd round pick......for now. However, with that said I wouldn't mind seeing a trade down from our second round pick. Assuming of course a quality offensive tackle could be identified by the scouting department.

With the 2nd and 3rd rounds conducted on Friday night, that Friday is going to be hell on my nerves. Twitter may go on overload with all the trade rumors that will surface.

SmootSmack · 01-04-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The formula for success in the NFL starts with getting sufficient talent on the squad and then molding that talent into a team.

It is pretty clear that I am not nearly as enamored with the talent level on this roster as of 1/4/09 as many others around here are. Of the 22 starters the Skins put on the field for most of the games this year, I'd be surprised if half of them would be starters on a team with a winning record. The team needs a talent upgrade.

Having said that, the Redskins have not been a real team for years now. Bruce Smith used to whine to Danny Boy when he didn't get enough snaps; this is not something that just happened the day before yesterday. And when there are "back-channel" ways to get around the coach, you don't have a team; you have an assemblage of individuals who are playing for individual agendas as much as for team outcomes.

Never mind last year. How about the roster on 1/4/10

tryfuhl · 01-04-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

With the 2nd and 3rd rounds conducted on Friday night, that Friday is going to be hell on my nerves. Twitter may go on overload with all the trade rumors that will surface.

This draft nonsense is getting crazy, 3 days starting on Thursday.

FRPLG · 01-04-2010, 11:54 PM

Boswell nails it...those talking about the issues need to be part of the solution. It's all fine to bitch and moan now but when this group comes back together the likes of Daniels and Cartwright need to start busting up this crap-culture. If they're just gonna talk about it then don't let the door hit ya guys. The irst thing that needs to happen is Rock needs to put a locker room and public foot in Portis' ass.

washingtonpost.com

mlmdub130 · 01-04-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

With the 2nd and 3rd rounds conducted on Friday night, that Friday is going to be hell on my nerves. Twitter may go on overload with all the trade rumors that will surface.

lets just hope we get two picks friday night, that would make my night

GusFrerotte · 01-05-2010, 12:00 AM

Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.

01-04-2010, 03:13 PM	#16
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,102	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP We've talked about this before. Snyder will get his coaches whatever they want which some say makes him a good owner. He'd be a great owner if he didn't always get them what they want. It's almost like a father. The best out there know when it's necessary to say No __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-04-2010, 03:24 PM	#17
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,924	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP I hope in this house cleaning Snyder pays Shanny more than his highest paid player so that it is made clear that buck literally stops there. __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

01-04-2010, 03:26 PM	#18
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP A Jelly Donut!? __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

01-04-2010, 04:40 PM	#23
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP The formula for success in the NFL starts with getting sufficient talent on the squad and then molding that talent into a team. It is pretty clear that I am not nearly as enamored with the talent level on this roster as of 1/4/09 as many others around here are. Of the 22 starters the Skins put on the field for most of the games this year, I'd be surprised if half of them would be starters on a team with a winning record. The team needs a talent upgrade. Having said that, the Redskins have not been a real team for years now. Bruce Smith used to whine to Danny Boy when he didn't get enough snaps; this is not something that just happened the day before yesterday. And when there are "back-channel" ways to get around the coach, you don't have a team; you have an assemblage of individuals who are playing for individual agendas as much as for team outcomes. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-04-2010, 11:54 PM	#28
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP Boswell nails it...those talking about the issues need to be part of the solution. It's all fine to bitch and moan now but when this group comes back together the likes of Daniels and Cartwright need to start busting up this crap-culture. If they're just gonna talk about it then don't let the door hit ya guys. The irst thing that needs to happen is Rock needs to put a locker room and public foot in Portis' ass. washingtonpost.com

01-05-2010, 12:00 AM	#30
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,961	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.

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