Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-05-2010, 07:41 AM   #31
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,697
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRPLG View Post
Boswell nails it...those talking about the issues need to be part of the solution. It's all fine to bitch and moan now but when this group comes back together the likes of Daniels and Cartwright need to start busting up this crap-culture. If they're just gonna talk about it then don't let the door hit ya guys. The irst thing that needs to happen is Rock needs to put a locker room and public foot in Portis' ass.

washingtonpost.com
Yeah I found it kind of interesting that players were talking about needing more leaders in the locker room...I mean why not be those leaders then?
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 01-05-2010, 07:43 AM   #32
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,697
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by GusFrerotte View Post
Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.
What do you mean he wasn't an ego maniac? What do you mean all he did was sit back and sign the checks? He was in Beathard/Casserly and Gibb's faces all the time. Attending practices, making suggestions, threatening to fire Gibbs, suggesting that Gibbs was a fool for starting Rypien and telling him he should be more like Jimmy Johnson.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:20 AM   #33
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,855
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Yeah I found it kind of interesting that players were talking about needing more leaders in the locker room...I mean why not be those leaders then?
Players can only take leadership so far. When they're not getting the support from above, it basically undermines any sort of peer leadership. I think leadership is something that needs to start at the top and work it's way down. It's hard to go the other way.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 08:58 AM   #34
Franchise Player
 
FRPLG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 9,958
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

I agree w/ you both. I am always struck by the fact that it doesn't seem like we have a real leader on this team. At least one that is front and center. The closest thing it seems we've had in recent years is DHall this past season. To me a leader has to be confident enough in his position to call people out in public. Maybe not throw people under the bus but at least be honest about failures. We never seem to have that. But I also realize the culture has probably killed that some. I just wish we had a player with the balls to put himself in front of the cultural bus and start cracking heads. It sounds like maybe that's what Zorn needed the most.
FRPLG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:04 AM   #35
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,855
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRPLG View Post
I agree w/ you both. I am always struck by the fact that it doesn't seem like we have a real leader on this team. At least one that is front and center. The closest thing it seems we've had in recent years is DHall this past season. To me a leader has to be confident enough in his position to call people out in public. Maybe not throw people under the bus but at least be honest about failures. We never seem to have that. But I also realize the culture has probably killed that some. I just wish we had a player with the balls to put himself in front of the cultural bus and start cracking heads. It sounds like maybe that's what Zorn needed the most.
What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:06 AM   #36
Franchise Player
 
FRPLG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 35
Posts: 9,958
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.
Yeah I guess I meant he needed players to essentially create this since management hadn't. That's a tall order for sure.
FRPLG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:10 AM   #37
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,747
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by GusFrerotte View Post
Mr. Cooke never did that shit. He just hired the right guys and signed the damn checks and let the football guys do their thing. He just sat back and watched his Skins kick some ass. He wasn't a total egomaniac like Snyder or Jones. He admitted he knew nothing about the ins and outs of running a football team, but was smart enough to hire guys that did. Too bad John Boy was sort of a wuss, then he might have been able to keep the team somehow.
I don't believe that is exactly true, both Gibbs and Beathard spoke of Cooke's involvement. He did defer to football guys, but he was always involved.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:17 AM   #38
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,747
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
Yeah I found it kind of interesting that players were talking about needing more leaders in the locker room...I mean why not be those leaders then?
My guess is that they tried, but had the rug pulled out from underneath them, either by Snyder directly, or more likely Zorn directly due to pressure from DS/VC. Leadership without authority is useless. The best thing I heard BA say was that he was going to select the coach, and that coach would have full authority to be the leader of the team. I hope it works like that. Alot of dysfunction would go away very quickly if the first time a player tries to go over the HC's head, he got doubly slapped down.

In my own job, I came in as a rookie (kinda like Zorn), and as soon as he put me in my position, when any guys went to him, his reply was you have to go to him. Not too long after that the guys started coming to me, because going over or behind or around me didn't get them anywhere. That's what needs to happen at Ashburn going forward. We will see if DS can do that.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:25 AM   #39
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 81,855
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

There's no way Shanahan comes in unless he's 100% in charge of his team and is the only sheriff in town. In terms of accountability and leadership, this is a great thing.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:36 AM   #40
Playmaker
 
freddyg12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,540
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
What Zorn needed was the power to be the true voice of the team. The problem was he was on a short leash right from the start and it didn't take long for certain players to figure that out.
I agree. Ideally I wanted Zorn back for a 3rd year, but after all that DS et al put him through, his credibility was already awash.
freddyg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 09:51 AM   #41
Playmaker
 
Longtimefan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Germantown, Md.
Posts: 4,832
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Someone once said leaders are not made, they're born. As an organization, for the past decade a culture has been established which fosters both the lack of discipline and accountability. Perhaps the new regime will establish a strictly adhered to "chain of command" that will filter player complaints through the proper channels.

When it comes to player discipline (or lack thereof) there are a few players who both past and present stick out like a sore thumb, no need to call them out because we all know who they are. Once the culture that permits these distractions to flourish is changed, discipline and accountability issues can easily be eradicated.
Longtimefan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 10:28 AM   #42
Registered User
 
BigHairedAristocrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,917
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
Players can only take leadership so far. When they're not getting the support from above, it basically undermines any sort of peer leadership. I think leadership is something that needs to start at the top and work it's way down. It's hard to go the other way.
Well said. Allen has already displayed more leadership than Cerrato ever did. Hopefully whomever he hires as HC will clean house and get rid of Portis and every other player who allegedly "went over Zorn" to Snyder or Cerrato needs to be removed from the team at the first possibility. Get rid of the rotten eggs and leaders will emerge.
BigHairedAristocrat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 10:31 AM   #43
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,697
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

It's just kind of curious to me with Rock especially because his teammates voted him a team captain. I would have assumed that implied they looked up to him as a leader and expected to be one on the field and in the locker room.
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 10:38 AM   #44
Franchise Player
 
skinsfan69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arlington, VA.
Posts: 9,514
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmootSmack View Post
What do you mean he wasn't an ego maniac? What do you mean all he did was sit back and sign the checks? He was in Beathard/Casserly and Gibb's faces all the time. Attending practices, making suggestions, threatening to fire Gibbs, suggesting that Gibbs was a fool for starting Rypien and telling him he should be more like Jimmy Johnson.
Yeah but he never ever went out and signed guys himself. He never went out and got free agents. He left that up to the football people. Plus he never hung out or socialized with players. I think those days are over for Snyder now tha Allen is here. Or let's hope so.
skinsfan69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2010, 10:38 AM   #45
Playmaker
 
over the mountain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: baltimore
Posts: 3,342
Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

heard a soundbite from rock this morning as i was coming into work. he said the skins lacked alil bit of discipline and that there are 2 types of players in the skins locker room. rule guys and guideline guys. rule guys must follow the rules and guidelines guys set their own guidelines.

thats not good for team chemistry and all that other intangible stuff that goes into winning.
over the mountain is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.28851 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25