Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP

warriorzpath · 01-05-2010, 12:31 PM

I talked about leadership and accountability way back in September. The leaders of a west coast offensive-minded team like the redskins needed to be the head coach and the quarterback - in performance, character, and discipline. I think both Zorn and Campbell has character, but do not have the other 2.

irish · 01-05-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They'll work with each other. But ultimately Allen will work for Shanahan. That doesn't mean he will never say no to him.

I kind of expected that Allen would just be used as a cap type guy instead of a true GM.

firstdown · 01-05-2010, 12:45 PM

So I guess Daniels, Wynn, and Rock thought it was another players roll to become a team leader and now they sit back and are complaining about no other player doing so. I agree that maybe the front office and Zorn helped with the issue but how can they complain about no player taking the roll when they could have done so themself. QB should be that player but we know that JC is no leader from what I have seen. Can anyone recall JC going up to a player on the sidelines and getting in their face and making them listen to him while he explains what needed to be done. I can't, and maybe that because he was also making so many mistakes.

SmootSmack · 01-05-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I kind of expected that Allen would just be used as a cap type guy instead of a true GM.

True GM is such a vague term to begin with...but no, he won't just be a cap guy

SmootSmack · 01-05-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There's a synopsis from a Cooley interview on that other redskins fan site and i think its very interesting that Cooley said Campbell wasn't a leader.

I think you (or the other site) is misconstruing what he said. Cooley said Campbell has tried to be the leader and has done a decent enough job but the position he was put in by the front office-with all the talk of trying to trade him-has made it difficult for him to assume a full leadership role.

My personal opinion is that that shouldn't be an excuse. They weren't trying to trade him last season when he could have and should have assumed a leadership role, and he's not the first person to be dangled out there as trade bait only to return to his team.

Still, I don't quite think that Cooley was saying Campbell is not a leader in the definitive sense that you're implying.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-05-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Never mind last year. How about the roster on 1/4/10

Sorry, haven't gotten into the habit of "10" as opposed to "09" just yet... :confused-

Mattyk · 01-05-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There's a synopsis from a Cooley interview on that other redskins fan site and i think its very interesting that Cooley said Campbell wasn't a leader.

They're good buds, doubt he would throw him under the boss like that. What was the context?

mlmdub130 · 01-05-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There's a synopsis from a Cooley interview on that other redskins fan site and i think its very interesting that Cooley said Campbell wasn't a leader.

i just heard portis did the same thing, i was listening to 106.7 and they were talking about portis' comments saying campbell wasn't a leader, i can't find anything on it anywhere, they had a guy from the washington examiner talking about it, john something. anyone know where to find transcripts of the two interveiws?

it's weird that they would both say it on the same day, and i thought jc and cooley were boys, i know half the team is done with portis

mlmdub130 · 01-05-2010, 04:49 PM

thomas boswell pretty much summed up this thread in one paragraph, great article

The Redskins' next coach needs to understand what he's getting into. Redskins fans need to understand how much patience they will need. The owner must grasp that, after 11 years, this mess is his and he needs to get out of the way of the professionals. And the players, who know exactly what's wrong with them, need to take responsibility for their own team. When they start acting like winners, instead of just talking like it, they'll have a chance.

Thomas Boswell - With Zorn fired, Redskins criticize lack of discipline on the team - washingtonpost.com

SmootSmack · 01-05-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

i just heard portis did the same thing, i was listening to 106.7 and they were talking about portis' comments saying campbell wasn't a leader, i can't find anything on it anywhere, they had a guy from the washington examiner talking about it, john something. anyone know where to find transcripts of the two interveiws?

it's weird that they would both say it on the same day, and i thought jc and cooley were boys, i know half the team is done with portis

Portis was a lot more blunt that Cooley, that's for sure. Don't have a transcript of either. But Portis basically said (and Doc Walker was talking about it as well) Campbell is not ready to be a team captain. He doesn't step up on behalf of his teammates and talk to the coaches. Doc talked about how Theismann went to Gibbs' home unannounced one night and said you have to believe in me, said Campbell would never do anything like that

Trample the Elderly · 01-05-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I admire plenty of things about JC(he is one tough dude), but he has way too much Otis Redding music running through his head.

Hey it's a great life "sittin on the dock of the bay" I just don't think that type of laid back casual personality has a chance in hell of being a great NFL leader.

The guy is probably better suited to be a professional fly fisherman.

53Fan · 01-05-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I admire plenty of things about JC(he is one tough dude), but he has way too much Otis Redding music running through his head.

Hey it's a great life "sittin on the dock of the bay" I just don't think that type of laid back casual personality has a chance in hell of being a great NFL leader.

The guy is probably better suited to be a professional fly fisherman.

I love flyfishing. Wish I could get paid to do it.

Mattyk · 01-05-2010, 07:20 PM

Funny but I don't recall Joe Montana being any sort of fired up guy. Hell they called him Joe Cool. Just saying a perceived laid back guy can also be a leader.

Frost · 01-05-2010, 08:04 PM

Holy crap are you guys reading campbell's response to portis ? Wow where the hell has this JC been all along.

Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason Reid

"How's he [going to] question anything when for those four or five weeks before he was on IR [the season-ending injured-reserve list], he never even came around. He wasn't with us. He was never at practice. Who does he think was holding the offense together? He should go ask the coaches and the players if he wants to know. But he wasn't around to do that. He doesn't know anything about leadership."

WOW

KLHJ2 · 01-05-2010, 08:23 PM

Lady's and gentlemen, if we can protect this man we have finally found a f**king QB!

01-05-2010, 12:31 PM	#61
warriorzpath The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,394	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP I talked about leadership and accountability way back in September. The leaders of a west coast offensive-minded team like the redskins needed to be the head coach and the quarterback - in performance, character, and discipline. I think both Zorn and Campbell has character, but do not have the other 2.

01-05-2010, 12:45 PM	#63
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,277	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP So I guess Daniels, Wynn, and Rock thought it was another players roll to become a team leader and now they sit back and are complaining about no other player doing so. I agree that maybe the front office and Zorn helped with the issue but how can they complain about no player taking the roll when they could have done so themself. QB should be that player but we know that JC is no leader from what I have seen. Can anyone recall JC going up to a player on the sidelines and getting in their face and making them listen to him while he explains what needed to be done. I can't, and maybe that because he was also making so many mistakes.

01-05-2010, 04:49 PM	#69
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 30 Posts: 3,083	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP thomas boswell pretty much summed up this thread in one paragraph, great article The Redskins' next coach needs to understand what he's getting into. Redskins fans need to understand how much patience they will need. The owner must grasp that, after 11 years, this mess is his and he needs to get out of the way of the professionals. And the players, who know exactly what's wrong with them, need to take responsibility for their own team. When they start acting like winners, instead of just talking like it, they'll have a chance. Thomas Boswell - With Zorn fired, Redskins criticize lack of discipline on the team - washingtonpost.com __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

01-05-2010, 07:20 PM	#73
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,184	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP Funny but I don't recall Joe Montana being any sort of fired up guy. Hell they called him Joe Cool. Just saying a perceived laid back guy can also be a leader. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-05-2010, 08:04 PM	#74
Frost Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Burke, VA Age: 30 Posts: 269	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP Holy crap are you guys reading campbell's response to portis ? Wow where the hell has this JC been all along. Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason Reid "How's he [going to] question anything when for those four or five weeks before he was on IR [the season-ending injured-reserve list], he never even came around. He wasn't with us. He was never at practice. Who does he think was holding the offense together? He should go ask the coaches and the players if he wants to know. But he wasn't around to do that. He doesn't know anything about leadership." WOW __________________ "He can run like Jerry Rice and hit like Night Train Lane" 21

01-05-2010, 08:23 PM	#75
KLHJ2 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 34 Posts: 5,829	Re: Redskins lacked leadership, accountability - WP Lady's and gentlemen, if we can protect this man we have finally found a f**king QB!

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