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Old 01-06-2010, 03:52 PM   #16
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Re: Campbell will compete with a rookie next yr.

it definitely seemed like he wants campbell back, but the competition quote he dropped as well seems as if he will bring in someone else to challenge him. we are assuming its through the draft, but maybe he wants to bring in chad pennington or someone to push campbell. either way i really just hope we dont grab a qb at 4.
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it definitely seemed like he wants campbell back, but the competition quote he dropped as well seems as if he will bring in someone else to challenge him. we are assuming its through the draft, but maybe he wants to bring in chad pennington or someone to push campbell. either way i really just hope we dont grab a qb at 4.
Pennington isn't mobile enough to work in Shannahans system. Maybe if he was a few years younger he wouldn't mind giving it a shot but I think right now Campbell is the better QB.
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:37 PM   #18
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^Matt Leinart is mobile enough, no?
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:43 PM   #19
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^Matt Leinart is mobile enough, no?
Lol, when he's sober. Anyway I think your guess is as good as mine. Here's his scouting report from when he was a rookie.

"Not a threat to run but he shows enough quickness and fluidity to buy extra time from within the pocket. He sets up quicker than his speed would indicate."

"Not a threat to take off and run."

The thing I think Shannahans looking for when he talks about mobility is weather he effectively run a bootleg. I mean remember even Cutler got 200 yards rushing during his last two years with Shannahan. For what it's worth he had 173 yards this year.

And here's Leinarts current scouting report:

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Comment: Leinart has the physical tools to succeed, but the jury is still out on him until he proves he can read coverage consistently and avoid costly mistakes. He has good height and arm strength, as well as enough mobility within the pocket to be successful in the Arizona system. When he has time to set his feet and throw the ball from the pocket, he has a good delivery and enough short-to-intermediate accuracy to challenge most areas of the field.
I feel like I'm getting mixed messages on Leinart's mobility.
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:47 PM   #20
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Michael Vick could be a mild surprise. He can sure run a bootleg scramble. That, and he wouldn't cost much and we'd still be able to use our top two picks on the O-line.
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Exactly. Say Campbell stays, we shore up the line, and he performs well. Extension. He doesn't, then we have another QB waiting in the wings.

I'd love for us to draft OL with our first pick, then maybe Pike in the second round.


i've been saying the same thing all year that would be awesome if we got okung and pike
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:13 PM   #22
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i think that would perfect for us but i doubt that campbell would want to sign a 1 year contract, why would he want to go through another year of learning a new offense just to get released the following year. Either we keep him long term or he isnt going to sign with us.

and after looking at campbell stats for another season and comparing him to other qbs around the leauge we need to lock him up and shore up our O-line.

Elway and Plummer were both worse then campbell before shanahan coached them and both ended up playing well for shanahan. (it took elway 10 years to to have his first decent season). I know shanahan didnt like campbell coming out of college but you dont pay a guy 7 million a year to rebuild a team. Snyder is paying him the big bucks to be a motivator and to get underperformer to overperform. IMO i believe shanahan will draft an OT and sign O-line free agents that fit his scheme. Right now we have big powerful guys up front (from gibbs power running scheme) shanahan would want smaller more athletic guys up front and there is only so much you can do in free agency and with samules likely to retire i believe OT is inveitable and if you keep campbell you are going to have to cut portis so second round will probably be a RB unless shanahan can find a gem in the 4th or if colt slips to the second i highly doubt we are going to have a rookie QB next year. i duno thats just my 2 cents
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:12 PM   #23
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Michael Vick could be a mild surprise. He can sure run a bootleg scramble. That, and he wouldn't cost much and we'd still be able to use our top two picks on the O-line.
id be down for that over drafting a qb high. if we do get a qb, i hope its round 4 or later. id look at lefevour if hes still there, hes extremely mobile.
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Jason said it was nice that Shanahan had good things to say about him and that he looked foreward to working with him.

Chick Hernandez of Comcast Sports was at Rock Cartwright's house along with Jason watching the presser. Jason appeared relieved knowing he's still wanted. Shanahan made it clear that he feels competition will only make everybody better.
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Why would we waste a first rounder on bradford when we can get an equally good qb in McCoy in the second who probably has the same chance of succeeding?
You're assuming that Bradford and McCoy are equal in terms of talent. Bradford is considered far and wide the better prospect, but for the most part I'll wait for the draft to see which one gets picked and assume that they felt they had the best chance to succced with that guy.

Still at this point Bradford is considered to be better then McCoy in two key catagories, accuracy and mental makeup both of which Bradford earned top marks. McCoy on the other hand was graded a point below. In all fairness though McCoy scored higher then Bradford on intangibles and mental markup On top of that McCoy might not be there when we pick in the second round leading us to mortgage a future draft pick to get him. Reports are from Scouts Inc.

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1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

Anyway heres the comparison for Mental Markup and Accuracy

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Mental Markup - 1 - Cerebral quarterback. Not an in-your-face type leader but definitely commands the huddle. Displays poise under pressure. Mentally/physically tough. Doesn't face a lot of pass-rush pressure but shows the toughness to stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to complete the pass. Still learning when to protect the ball and when to take chances. Gets too comfortable in the pocket at times and will need to reset his mental clock in the NFL. Made a few costly decisions/reads in 2008 loss to Texas.

Accuracy - 1 - Most accurate passer in college football today. Displays good mechanics. Excellent balance as a passer. Steps into most of his throws and drives off the back leg. Good follow through. Very good with the pump fake; frequently gets receivers open by pumping off the safety or linebacker.

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Mental Markup - 2 - Ideal makeup from a mental toughness and competitiveness standpoint. Poised under pressure and continues to learn from mistakes. Delivers in the clutch. Might be the toughest QB in college football today. Also intelligent and hard working. He does have a tendency to force throws into traffic at times. He has improved in this area but he still makes a couple questionable decisions per game.

Accuracy -2 - Displays excellent timing and touch underneath. Gets the ball out quickly and knows how to hit his receivers in stride. Also shows good overall accuracy when throwing on the run, especially when rolling to his right. However, he plays in a very QB-friendly offense that does not feature many intermediate-to-vertical throws compared to an NFL offense. He has gotten into some bad habits that he will not overcome so easily in the NFL. He must adjust to making many more throws from inside the pocket and/or down the field. He also currently takes a lot of snaps from shotgun, so he must get accustomed to reading coverage while dropping in the NFL.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:34 PM   #26
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Skins would be complete foolish to let JC walk. He's cheap and he has done well under the Zorn circumstance and pathetic O-Line and that so called WR named Moss.

Hay Cooley, maybe your mother-f'ing-ass can take the leadership mantel? Instead of looking for others to lead you and Portis perhaps you SOBs try to become leaders? I f'ing hate these mofo backbenchers. CC can get it too.

I don't get why everyone is high on Jerry Gray. I mean, he's on the coaching staff and is responsible for the terrible secondary that is Rogers, Landry, and Hall. If we're cleaning house Jerry gots-to-go.

FU, Danial Snyder.

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Old 01-06-2010, 08:37 PM   #27
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I want Sam Bradford...if we can't get him trade down for more 1'st round picks.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:39 PM   #28
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I can't beleive so many people are high on Mccoy, Clausen and Bradford. I really hope we dont waste a 1st rd'er on a QB. Sucks we have at least 3 months before we get a definitive answer also.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:40 PM   #29
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On CSN after the presser Kelly Johnson interviewed Shanahan and asked if JC can be the starting QB for the Redskins in '10, he said 'Absolutely, that's what competition is all about.' Pretty interesting indication that he will bring in a highly drafted QB and soon.

Another interesting, but unrelated note, he was also asked if Portis can be the starting RB in '10 and he said, 'We'll see.' Much less encouraging about 26 being back.
Interesting. I think in regards to Portis I have written him off due to age and practice habits. Concussion was just a side note for me cause players get them all the time. One concussion usually means the player could get another concussion more easily and easier and easier. I think with the NFL now forcing teams to not put the player back in the game two or three possessions later and forcing players to see doctors who will decide if they play or not, I can see the Skins deciding to pass on Portis or let him go cause he would be taking up a roster spot with the understanding he could get another concussion very easily at anytime at any point in a game. Kinda like how we sat on Samuels and R.Thomas.

Plus throw in the uncapped year and ditching his contract should mean more to the team in the long run vs. keeping an aged concussion prone RB who is on the decline. I can see them shedding the contract while they can.
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Redskins roundup: Campbell expected to stay | ProFootballTalk.com. As most of you know, I'm not a big fan of JC but I would be all in for the possibilty of bringing him back if we draft a rookie to be our future. Apparently shanny wants to keep him for 1 more season to "pair" with a rookie. I think this is a good move honestly..
I agree. No one should be above having to compete for their job. Maybe it lights a fire under JC's ass. Maybe under Shanahan's tuteledge, JC will become a pro-bowl caliber QB. Hell, Brien Griese threw 19 TDs and only 4 INTs playing for Shanny.

And maybe the guy we draft turns out to be an all-time great. Remember, San Diego drafted Philip Rivers while they still had Drew Brees on the roster. Brees went onto become a stud and so did Rivers. QB is the most important position on the team, so if the Skins play their card right, they could end up with 2 starting caliber QBs on the roster. That is a great position to be in.

The O line can be repaired with other draft picks and free agency, especially if we trade Cooley for a pick or two. Anyway, Shanny prefers smaller, more nimble linemen that are available in the later rounds. The O lineman they would take with the 4th pick probably wouldn't fit the mold.
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