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Old 01-06-2010, 09:00 PM   #31
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I can't beleive so many people are high on Mccoy, Clausen and Bradford. I really hope we dont waste a 1st rd'er on a QB. Sucks we have at least 3 months before we get a definitive answer also.
This is a bold statement but in 2 or 3 years when Bradford starts playing at the same level of a guy like Phillip Rivers you're going to be estatic about the fact that we used a first round pick on him. I've been saying this a lot lately but there were a lot of people in Atlanta on draft day who got pissed when the Falcons drafted Matt Ryan instead of Glen Dorsey.

On top of that, with the Shannahans records of developing QB's, why wouldn't you want a guy with the ability to be a franchise QB for the next 10 or 15 years? Remember Shannahan sent Brian Greise and Jay Cutler to the Pro Bowl, even got Jake Plummer an alternate spot. Then you got Kyle as the OC and we all know how much he helped develop Matt Schaub.
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:01 PM   #32
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I can't beleive so many people are high on Mccoy, Clausen and Bradford. I really hope we dont waste a 1st rd'er on a QB. Sucks we have at least 3 months before we get a definitive answer also.
Why would it be a waste? What if we draft Bradford and he turns out to be a hall of famer who starts the next 15 years for the Skins? Look at the QBs in the playoffs right now. It's the most important position on the field. And yes, many of them weren't first round picks, but I'm sure if Shanny thinks he can get a QB in the second or third round (after trading Cooley) that is equal in talent level to Bradford, then he'll take a QB there. If he knows any position, it's QB.

I also think he can elevate Campbell's play, so I'm all for keeping him as well.
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Skins would be complete foolish to let JC walk. He's cheap and he has done well under the Zorn circumstance and pathetic O-Line and that so called WR named Moss.

Hay Cooley, maybe your mother-f'ing-ass can take the leadership mantel? Instead of looking for others to lead you and Portis perhaps you SOBs try to become leaders? I f'ing hate these mofo backbenchers. CC can get it too.
I don't get why everyone is high on Jerry Gray. I mean, he's on the coaching staff and is responsible for the terrible secondary that is Rogers, Landry, and Hall. If we're cleaning house Jerry gots-to-go.

FU, Danial Snyder.

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I was thinking the same thing. As a pro-bowl, veteran TE, there's no reason he can't step in and lead if no one else on Offense is willing to do it. What's he waiting for? A written invitation?
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:11 PM   #34
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If Shannahan can do it with Cutler, Plummer and Griese why cant he do it with Campbell as well? I realize the QB is one of the most important players on the field. However, I don't want to risk the 4th pick on a QB. 1st round QB's through the years seem to be a crap shot. Now if we could trade down and get a mid 1st along with a early 2nd I would be all for that. However, im not sure that will work out for us.
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:20 PM   #35
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I doubt we get a QB in the draft. I see us trading down and getting Marshall the day of the draft. We get their 1st and 3rd.

Here are the positions we need to address in the draft

1.(Trade w/ Denver) OT
2.OG
3A. C
3B. (Pick gained from Denver) FS
4. OT
5.RB
6. CB
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I doubt we get a QB in the draft. I see us trading down and getting Marshall the day of the draft. We get their 1st and 3rd.

Here are the positions we need to address in the draft

1.(Trade w/ Denver) OT
2.OG
3A. C
3B. (Pick gained from Denver) FS
4. OT
5.RB
6. CB
7. MLB
You think we're going to get Marshall, a 1st, and a 3rd for our #4 overall?
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:33 PM   #37
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If Shannahan can do it with Cutler, Plummer and Griese why cant he do it with Campbell as well? I realize the QB is one of the most important players on the field. However, I don't want to risk the 4th pick on a QB. 1st round QB's through the years seem to be a crap shot. Now if we could trade down and get a mid 1st along with a early 2nd I would be all for that. However, im not sure that will work out for us.
Well the way I look at it, the situation is very similar to the Plummer/Cutler scenario. Shannahan got Plummer as far as he could go, ironically that was a first round bye in the playoffs but after that he fizzled. It wasn't until the young Jay Cutler took over that the passing offense really became something else, constant comparisons were being made between Elway and Cutler. I believe that in this scenario Campbell is the equivelant of Plummer and Bradford, Clausen, or McCoy (whoever they decide is the best QB for the team) is Cutler.

Of course things don't always work out perfectly like that, but to summarize, I believe that one of the rookie QB's developed by Shannahan can be the key that can make us Super Bowl Champions. With Campbell I'd feel lucky to make the NFC Championship game.

I think Shannahan realizes that he can't pussy foot around or be fancy with the QB position. He needs a game changer if he hopes to end his run in Washington with a Super Bowl title.
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:52 PM   #38
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Dropping Cooley for a trade would be a mistake. In Shanny's system he could have career numbers and be a phenom with Dais on the other side. That's a huge advantage against teams who want to keep in 3 LB's to stop the run against a shanny system.

I look for Campbell to fit well in the Shanny system. It's QB friendly, and his mobility is something we will need. If we can get Pike in the later rounds then I would go for him, but I would rather see us pick up someone like C.J. Spiller or Gerhart in the 2nd-3rd round.
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:43 PM   #39
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I would keep JC for two to four more. You have to think, what if the newbie is a bust. At least JC is an above average QB and can still play to a decent level. He is better than most lower tier NFL Qbs without a doubt. I hope to god we get a QB like Lefevour, Sheehan, Pike, Stull, or even Kafka. Watching Oklahoma in their bowl game it becoame apparent to me that Stafford might not be all that since his replacement had a monster game. If Clausen was so great the Irish should have made a bowl game like Kafka and Northwestern did with less talent. Tebow will be a decent NFL QB but will not live up to the hype surrounding him. Neither will Colt. The Big 12 is all offense and not much in terms of defense. Without those guys( meaning the second tier QBs mentioned before) their respective teams would have sucked. Lefevour is a stud. Stull and Pike are gamers. I like Kafka because the guy basically was the Northwestern offense in '09. He isn't afraid to run and the NW spread might help him with Shanny's version of the WCO.
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If we pick-up a 3rd or he's still around in the 4th, I'd like to see us draft Dan LeFevour of Central Michigan if we're gonna draft a QB. I'm not sure where he's projected to go but I'm sure it will change before the draft anyway.
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I doubt we get a QB in the draft. I see us trading down and getting Marshall the day of the draft. We get their 1st and 3rd.

Here are the positions we need to address in the draft

1.(Trade w/ Denver) OT
2.OG
3A. C
3B. (Pick gained from Denver) FS
4. OT
5.RB
6. CB
7. MLB

Need a QB for sure bub. JC should be sitting pretty, but then you have Brennan and Collins. Collins might retire or just be put out to stud during camp in August, and Brennan might not make the team either or just get the axe beforehand. Our QB depth at the present time is rather dreadful.
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Kafka and Elliot from Purdue will be available probably in round 3.
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This is a bold statement but in 2 or 3 years when Bradford starts playing at the same level of a guy like Phillip Rivers you're going to be estatic about the fact that we used a first round pick on him. I've been saying this a lot lately but there were a lot of people in Atlanta on draft day who got pissed when the Falcons drafted Matt Ryan instead of Glen Dorsey.

On top of that, with the Shannahans records of developing QB's, why wouldn't you want a guy with the ability to be a franchise QB for the next 10 or 15 years? Remember Shannahan sent Brian Greise and Jay Cutler to the Pro Bowl, even got Jake Plummer an alternate spot. Then you got Kyle as the OC and we all know how much he helped develop Matt Schaub.

Bradford is damaged goods. Messed up shoulder twice in the same season within a few weeks of him coming back no less. What makes you think he is going to be fine when say Ware sacks his ass? Remember he is a system QB, loads of talent, but Stoops system only elevates the QB play. Also, the Big 12 is virtually an all offense conference. Think Stafford is going to shine so much when the odds are even in the NFL? We want a QB that made things happen on an average or above average team. An average QB can look like an All American if he is surrounded by the gobs of talent on say an Oklahoma, Texas, or Florida. The guys that can really throw down are the guys that are surrounded by maybe less than stellar talent, but who can help elevate their teammates game and make things happen on their own.
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If we can draft an olinemen in the first and a QB in the second (McCoy or Pike), I'd be most for that.... I honestly would be game with a later (4th) round type QB as well, I maybe in the minority, but I still think with a line and a running game, Campbell can be good... and I think thats more realistic to happen sooner than a QB to come in and be really good.
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I don't really think that Campbell will be back here next year, I think Shanahan just said that because like he said, he really hasn't seen the team and will have to evaluate later on. I think he goes back to evaluate and sees that Campbell isn't his answer. Besides why else was Snyder going after Cutler and Sanchez in the offseason? As a just in case Zorn fails and I get Shanahan senario, and now I think that scenario is here.
What makes you say this? I think Shanahan could have easily used the same tone he used when answering questions about Portis when he talked about Campbell. I would hope that the new front office is smart enough to either keep Campbell (since there are really no good options without giving up picks in a trade) and allow for a drafted QB to develop; or to get compensation for him. I think the smart thing is to keep him around (it shouldn't cost the team much) and let whatever QB is drafted, develop.
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