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Old 01-06-2010, 11:08 PM   #46
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I don't really think that Campbell will be back here next year, I think Shanahan just said that because like he said, he really hasn't seen the team and will have to evaluate later on. I think he goes back to evaluate and sees that Campbell isn't his answer. Besides why else was Snyder going after Cutler and Sanchez in the offseason? As a just in case Zorn fails and I get Shanahan senario, and now I think that scenario is here.
What makes you say this? I think Shanahan could have easily used the same tone he used when answering questions about Portis when he talked about Campbell. I would hope that the new front office is smart enough to either keep Campbell (since there are really no good options without giving up picks in a trade) and allow for a drafted QB to develop; or to get compensation for him. I think the smart thing is to keep him around (it shouldn't cost the team much) and let whatever QB is drafted, develop.
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CSN Exclusive: Cartwright And Campbell On Shanahan

Cartwright and Campbell watch the Shannahan press conference.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:21 AM   #48
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CSN Exclusive: Cartwright And Campbell On Shanahan

Cartwright and Campbell watch the Shannahan press conference.
I would hope they're watching along with every Skins player as their future rests with the man.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:26 AM   #49
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CSN Exclusive: Cartwright And Campbell On Shanahan

Cartwright and Campbell watch the Shannahan press conference.
Anyone notice how Rock, Jason, and Chick were all in their socks? Someone doesn't like shoes in the house!!! LOL
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:12 AM   #50
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If Clausen isn't on the board then I'm postulating that Bradford will be the choice. No way will Shannahan draft a Lineman in the first round. During his entire tenure in Denver he's only drafted one offensive lineman in the first round that I can recall. He's proven that he's adept at selecting solid o-lineman in the later rounds.
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:56 AM   #51
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I hope that the FO will target SF's two first round picks (If they are high on Clausen or Bradford) and trade down to get them. Then take a LT & Colt McCoy in the first (unless they think he'll be there in the second). Then use the 2nd round pick to draft best player available (hopefully a worhty OT).
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:59 AM   #52
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I'm not totally convinced that Campbell is staying. I suspect the Skins will offer him a one-year tender and if someone bites and offers another draft pick they'll take it.
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This scenario is all well and good if the 1st round pick isn't wasted on a QB. This has been and will be debated all over this board, but the offensive line needs to be addressed BIG time. We have the chance to get the best olineman in the draft, and probably a starter in the 2nd round as well. I dont see any need in drafting a QB at all this year. I think this organization will be pleasantly surprised by the success Jason would have behind a good oline.
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I would keep JC for two to four more. You have to think, what if the newbie is a bust. At least JC is an above average QB and can still play to a decent level. He is better than most lower tier NFL Qbs without a doubt. I hope to god we get a QB like Lefevour, Sheehan, Pike, Stull, or even Kafka. Watching Oklahoma in their bowl game it becoame apparent to me that Stafford might not be all that since his replacement had a monster game. If Clausen was so great the Irish should have made a bowl game like Kafka and Northwestern did with less talent. Tebow will be a decent NFL QB but will not live up to the hype surrounding him. Neither will Colt. The Big 12 is all offense and not much in terms of defense. Without those guys( meaning the second tier QBs mentioned before) their respective teams would have sucked. Lefevour is a stud. Stull and Pike are gamers. I like Kafka because the guy basically was the Northwestern offense in '09. He isn't afraid to run and the NW spread might help him with Shanny's version of the WCO.

Yeah, and his replacement also struggled in a bunch of games and they lost way more than they would have it Bradford would have been healthy.

Based on your logic, the Colts were stupid for drafting Peyton Manning, because Heath Schuler was a bust playing in the same system. Or that Carson Palmer, John David Booty, Matt Leinart and Dirty Sanchez are all exactly the same player, because they put up similar stats playing in the same system.

The "system QB" argument is a joke and not all QBs are created equally. If the consensus is that Bradford is a top 5 pick, then he's a top 5 pick. It doesn't guarantee he'll be great, but then again nothing is guaranteed in the draft.

The bottom line is that there will be one or more QBs who get drafted next year that will go on to become great franchise QBs. The Skins wouldn't be stupid to take a chance at getting one with their first pick. The reward is worth the risk.
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I'm not totally convinced that Campbell is staying. I suspect the Skins will offer him a one-year tender and if someone bites and offers another draft pick they'll take it.
Let's say it's a high pick like Bradford, do you think it's possible he starts as a rookie?
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Let's say it's a high pick like Bradford, do you think it's possible he starts as a rookie?
I would think he has to unless we bring in some type of vet QB until he's ready...

If anything I can behind though is letting rookies take their lumps. If we do take Bradford I hope he's tougher than his track record behind THIS line.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:50 AM   #57
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It just makes no sense to draft a QB that high who has duribility questions. As to trading down, I don't see why asking about Marshall on draft day isn't a good move. The guy can play and gives us a chance to get rid of ARE and gives us a true #1 WR. Synder likes big names and it helps that Shanahan is familar w/ Marshall. Draft an OT at 10 (the kid from MD) and get a OG in the 2nd. We "could" draft a QB in the 4th, but I don't think that's smart.
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I would keep JC for two to four more. You have to think, what if the newbie is a bust. At least JC is an above average QB and can still play to a decent level. He is better than most lower tier NFL Qbs without a doubt. I hope to god we get a QB like Lefevour, Sheehan, Pike, Stull, or even Kafka. Watching Oklahoma in their bowl game it becoame apparent to me that Stafford might not be all that since his replacement had a monster game. If Clausen was so great the Irish should have made a bowl game like Kafka and Northwestern did with less talent. Tebow will be a decent NFL QB but will not live up to the hype surrounding him. Neither will Colt. The Big 12 is all offense and not much in terms of defense. Without those guys( meaning the second tier QBs mentioned before) their respective teams would have sucked. Lefevour is a stud. Stull and Pike are gamers. I like Kafka because the guy basically was the Northwestern offense in '09. He isn't afraid to run and the NW spread might help him with Shanny's version of the WCO.
-Bradford, not Stafford

-If Clausen played defense, maybe the Irish would have made a bowl game

-I've never understood the notion that a starter might not be all that when their replacements play well. When Steve Young stepped in for Joe Montana and succeeded did that suddenly mean Joe Cool was overrated, when Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl with the Giants did that mean suddenly Phil Simms was a bad QB? Also, it should be noted that often times the offense is dumbed down significantly for backups so that they don't have to do so much to carry the team to victory. So it's not always a fair comparison between starter and backup

-You'd love to get a guy like Pike...but you didn't mention that his backup, Zach Collaros, completed over 80% of his passes in three starts with 8 TDs and zero interceptions...that must mean Pike ain't all that
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Let's say it's a high pick like Bradford, do you think it's possible he starts as a rookie?
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What makes you say this? I think Shanahan could have easily used the same tone he used when answering questions about Portis when he talked about Campbell. I would hope that the new front office is smart enough to either keep Campbell (since there are really no good options without giving up picks in a trade) and allow for a drafted QB to develop; or to get compensation for him. I think the smart thing is to keep him around (it shouldn't cost the team much) and let whatever QB is drafted, develop.
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I think Iupati could be the Michael Oher of next year. I Love this guy, the problem is theres no reason for us to take him with the 4th overall pick, which will probably be a QB or OT. Plus in Free Agency is Guards Chester Pitts and Cris Kuper from Houston and Denver, so they already know the offense. And with our second rounder, we'll probably get whatever position we don't get with our first round pick. I personally think we should get Bradford, because all I keep hearing is how he is "super accurate" "good at getting rid of the ball and releasing it quickly" how he can "make all the NFL throws" and is "accuate when he is on the run as well". When I look at a QB the number one thing I'm looking at is is he accurate? Can he get the balls to his receivers? Thats this guy. This guy doesn't come out every year. Russell Okung and Anthony Davis type LT's come out pretty much every year. Plus you look at some of the LT's in the NFL and a lot of them are found pretty much from all the rounds of the draft. QB's that are good are typically in the first round. We've had Jason for 5 years and of the 4 he's played he really hasn't shown me he can be the QB that could take us to the Super Bowl. He's showed me that he can be a back up and fill in if the starting QB gets injured, but thats it. I have more bad memories and moments of Jason than positive moments of him (the time against the Giants he threw and interception 5yds passed the line of scrimmage really sticks out, as well as the games against Dallas, Pittsburgh, Giants where he held onto the ball way way too long, where he should have thrown it away. Pretty much every game which he throws a pass that ends up being a yard short of the first down, instead of going deep.Against the Saints when he was picked off against Vilma and Giants when he stepped way to far back in the pocket and Osi stripped him and ran the fumble in for a score. The only positive moment I have of Jason is when he threw that bomb against the saints a year ago to win, then again that seems to be the only highlight of jason that espn and nfln seem to show when they talk about him)
So I say we draft Sam Bradford and make him the opening day starter, and deal with the OL in FA and what ever we don't get there, get in the draft, which we will. Who knows maybe Bruce campbell of Maryland falls to us in the second round or Bryan Bulaga of Iowa or Jason Fox (he should definitley be there) or a Ciron Black or maybe who knows a Trent Williams could fall just enough for us to trade up
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