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Old 02-04-2010, 06:18 PM   #631
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I felt the Buffalo move was to let T.O. go to a team and play and show his worth and be the model player. He did that. He played, he wasn't used for the first half of the year, he didn't complain, and he got more playing time after the HC was fired.

My best guess is that he's going to feel out the market. Plus there wouldn't much talk between Buffalo and him and his agent.... they were looking for a HC which is more important and the coaching staff. Then I guess they would let the new HC decide if they want to keep him or not.

Then there is the fact that there is probably only a few teams that will want him and even fewer that will pay him decently. Now the big question is will the Skins be a player considering Shanahan was interested in T.O. prior to his being fired by the Bronco's? There's no throwing away draft picks, no trading players or anything. If the team plays their cards right they can use the other WR's (Kevin Walter, and Antonio Bryant) against each other in order to get a decent deal for one of the elite WR's out there.
No question, Owens will want to test the market.. Like CRedskins said, I don't see any team that would be interested in signing Owens, unless one of their #1 WR got injured and can't play for significant time.. However, I just saw a rumor link on ESPN.com that says that OCNN claims that Bengals re going after Owens? I can't really imagine that happening though..

As for Redskins (or Shanahan?) going after Owens; I really hope that won't be the scenario, only because we have three young WRs that have some potentials.. Signing Owens would only stunt our youngsters' growth.. Beside we would be adding another diva show into the team, right when Portis, alone is more than enough.. Some people are saying that we should sign Kevin Walter or Antonio Bryant, I really believe that we should give our young receivers a chance before we decide to go after FA receivers.. And not to mention we have Cooley and Davis, that we are supposedly planning to utilize together.. By adding more weapons would only complicate things for Shanahan(s)..

But once again, Shanahan is an offense genius; maybe he won't be overwhelmed and have any problem utilize all players..
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:38 AM   #632
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No all the rumors I've heard is that the Senior Bowl is a place where coach's go to get their names out there. Zorn was there, Saunders, McCardell and many others. It so happened that Shanahan and his contingent were there and spoke with him at the Senior Bowl. Coach liked what McCardell offered and offered him a job. I'm sure he most likely talked with Allen and DS to see if they had any issues with the pick.
Yeah I just figured that Allen would've talked to him at the Bowl as well. He was there right?
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:34 AM   #633
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Also the fact that McCardell followed the team for a year as a analyst with Comcast had to play a part in the hiring. I remember his last statement on Comcast was offering to coach the young recievers on air... I guess he'll get his chance, I hope he does a good job!
KM was part of the Bill Walsh Minority Coaching Fellowship last summer, and worked with the NY Giants' receivers during training camp. Judging by how the Giants WRs did this year, I think he did ok.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:59 AM   #634
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Yeah I just figured that Allen would've talked to him at the Bowl as well. He was there right?
He may have, we really don't know. I think if anything it hopefully shows that Shanahan is being allowed to build "his" team" vs. the owner or Allen bringing in a someone they want or someone to fill a roll.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:04 AM   #635
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Yes, Allen was at the senior bowl.

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You know what's funny, I didn't hear anything about Snyder being there.
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He may have, we really don't know. I think if anything it hopefully shows that Shanahan is being allowed to build "his" team" vs. the owner or Allen bringing in a someone they want or someone to fill a roll.
Exactly. The whole point of getting the organization right, was that decisions were made by the "appropriate" person. I don't think a GM should make the final call on a position coach. I imagine Shanahan talked to BA and got his opinion, and maybe Snyder's to, but it's Shanahan's call to make. No more, "he's a VC guy, or a DS guy, or a whoever guy" if the coach is on the staff, it's Shanahan's responsibility - for good or bad.

Sometimes when you've been a bad relationship for a long time, when you get out, you still don't know what a good relationship even looks like. That is the best explanation I can come up with for a LOT of the fan comments I see and hear.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:31 AM   #637
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No question, Owens will want to test the market.. Like CRedskins said, I don't see any team that would be interested in signing Owens, unless one of their #1 WR got injured and can't play for significant time.. However, I just saw a rumor link on ESPN.com that says that OCNN claims that Bengals re going after Owens? I can't really imagine that happening though..

As for Redskins (or Shanahan?) going after Owens; I really hope that won't be the scenario, only because we have three young WRs that have some potentials.. Signing Owens would only stunt our youngsters' growth.. Beside we would be adding another diva show into the team, right when Portis, alone is more than enough.. Some people are saying that we should sign Kevin Walter or Antonio Bryant, I really believe that we should give our young receivers a chance before we decide to go after FA receivers.. And not to mention we have Cooley and Davis, that we are supposedly planning to utilize together.. By adding more weapons would only complicate things for Shanahan(s)..

But once again, Shanahan is an offense genius; maybe he won't be overwhelmed and have any problem utilize all players..
I totally agree in regards to seeing our young WR's hopefully getting playing time. I'm on the fence with any other WR being brought in, but I could see us finding a better replacement for ARE and that replacement might be Kevin Walter who played a similar roll in Houston. Plus he's worked with Kyle Shanahan and his Assistant. I could see us going in a different direction from Moss. I know that sounds taboo but I could see them swapping Moss out with Bryant or T.O. I don't necessarily want T.O. it's just that these are the few WR's that are FA with out any ties. We would not have to give up any draft picks or trade out any players to get one. I like Moss but I just don't see him as a #1 WR. Will any of the young ones step up to fill that roll as #1?

It's just a feeling but I think the team steps up and finds a bona fide #1 WR so there's no question about who is going to step up, then hope that the new coaching staff can get any of the three young WR's to step up into that roll. Which if that's the case then getting a WR possibly with a one yr deal would be best and if by next yr none step up then you know you either have to give the WR brought in a new contract for the future or draft a #1 WR. I think the other FA's would want more then a 1 yr deal other then T.O. Then there's the reports that Shanny tried to get T.O. and fell short. Do you think he will let it happen again? Especially if T.O. is a FA with no strings attached other then to sign him. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but I could also see him here taking two DB's which would get Moss, Thomas, Kelly or Mitchell open more often.

Again I'd rather see Walter replacing ARE and Bryant replacing Moss with Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell rounding out the WR corpse. What I'm affraid will happen is we pick up T.O., let ARE go and have Moss, Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell. I don't see us going after Marshall because we would have to give up a high draft pick and Denver is not stupid enough to simply cut him. They will want to get something out of him.
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KM was part of the Bill Walsh Minority Coaching Fellowship last summer, and worked with the NY Giants' receivers during training camp. Judging by how the Giants WRs did this year, I think he did ok.
All this tells me is he went to a camp in which the Giants WR coach taught new coachs how to coach. How much information was given, how much information was retained, how good the camp was all together all remains to be seen.

I think what we have to hope for is McCardell can get his talents across to the young guys and the young guys understand it and apply it.

But as I pointed out earlier we have several other offensive coachs that have been WR coachs prior to their current positions so I guess I'm not worrying.
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Exactly. The whole point of getting the organization right, was that decisions were made by the "appropriate" person. I don't think a GM should make the final call on a position coach. I imagine Shanahan talked to BA and got his opinion, and maybe Snyder's to, but it's Shanahan's call to make. No more, "he's a VC guy, or a DS guy, or a whoever guy" if the coach is on the staff, it's Shanahan's responsibility - for good or bad.

Sometimes when you've been a bad relationship for a long time, when you get out, you still don't know what a good relationship even looks like. That is the best explanation I can come up with for a LOT of the fan comments I see and hear.
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Yes, Allen was at the senior bowl.



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You know what's funny, I didn't hear anything about Snyder being there.
Thought that I had seen that he was; also did not hear anything about Snyder, not that I'd have the info if it was secret, but even a Google query brought up nothing.
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Exactly. The whole point of getting the organization right, was that decisions were made by the "appropriate" person. I don't think a GM should make the final call on a position coach. I imagine Shanahan talked to BA and got his opinion, and maybe Snyder's to, but it's Shanahan's call to make. No more, "he's a VC guy, or a DS guy, or a whoever guy" if the coach is on the staff, it's Shanahan's responsibility - for good or bad.

Sometimes when you've been a bad relationship for a long time, when you get out, you still don't know what a good relationship even looks like. That is the best explanation I can come up with for a LOT of the fan comments I see and hear.
I agree with that; I wasn't trying to say that Allen should've been making that decision or anything.
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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;660632]Exactly. The whole point of getting the organization right, was that decisions were made by the "appropriate" person. I don't think a GM should make the final call on a position coach. I imagine Shanahan talked to BA and got his opinion, and maybe Snyder's to, but it's Shanahan's call to make. No more, "he's a VC guy, or a DS guy, or a whoever guy" if the coach is on the staff, it's Shanahan's responsibility - for good or bad.

Sometimes when you've been a bad relationship for a long time, when you get out, you still don't know what a good relationship even looks like. That is the best explanation I can come up with for a LOT of the fan comments I see and hear.[/QUOTE]

LOL, Touche.
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:30 PM   #643
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I totally agree in regards to seeing our young WR's hopefully getting playing time. I'm on the fence with any other WR being brought in, but I could see us finding a better replacement for ARE and that replacement might be Kevin Walter who played a similar roll in Houston. Plus he's worked with Kyle Shanahan and his Assistant. I could see us going in a different direction from Moss. I know that sounds taboo but I could see them swapping Moss out with Bryant or T.O. I don't necessarily want T.O. it's just that these are the few WR's that are FA with out any ties. We would not have to give up any draft picks or trade out any players to get one. I like Moss but I just don't see him as a #1 WR. Will any of the young ones step up to fill that roll as #1?

It's just a feeling but I think the team steps up and finds a bona fide #1 WR so there's no question about who is going to step up, then hope that the new coaching staff can get any of the three young WR's to step up into that roll. Which if that's the case then getting a WR possibly with a one yr deal would be best and if by next yr none step up then you know you either have to give the WR brought in a new contract for the future or draft a #1 WR. I think the other FA's would want more then a 1 yr deal other then T.O. Then there's the reports that Shanny tried to get T.O. and fell short. Do you think he will let it happen again? Especially if T.O. is a FA with no strings attached other then to sign him. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but I could also see him here taking two DB's which would get Moss, Thomas, Kelly or Mitchell open more often.

Again I'd rather see Walter replacing ARE and Bryant replacing Moss with Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell rounding out the WR corpse. What I'm affraid will happen is we pick up T.O., let ARE go and have Moss, Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell. I don't see us going after Marshall because we would have to give up a high draft pick and Denver is not stupid enough to simply cut him. They will want to get something out of him.
You made good points about no guaranteed #1 receiver on the team.. This definitely will be a problem if nobody steps up as #1, however I'm pretty sure Shanahan(s) are smart enough to make offense great without #1, only due to number of weapons. However, I guess we both agree on the idea of bringing Owens in is not such a good idea.. As for Walter replacing ARE, I would not oppose to this move.. But my question is why do we MUST replace ARE with a free agent? Why we don't try replace ARE with what we have? Although, having Walter sounds pretty good, because he can help us in few positions including the return for special teams..

If we decide to release Moss, then I will advocate that we should try to bring Walter in to replace him.. I don't think we should release him though, because he adds the speed to offense, which we already have with Thomas and Mitchell.. And not to mention, Moss could start playing as punt returner and maybe kick off returner? This would give us another reason not to sign Walter..

The upside of bringing Walter in is he's younger than Moss; we would have an opportunity to not have to worry about replacing Moss for next two or three years..
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You know what's funny, I didn't hear anything about Snyder being there.
This is from Matt Terl's Blog, specifically part of Bruce Allens radio interview the other day:

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But, [Bruce Allen] insisted, the owner's involvement goes only as far as his open wallet. "I don't think he'll ever come on a scouting mission," Allen said, "and he never did go on a scouting mission. He went with his family to a college game, but I don't know if that's a scouting mission. He didn't go to the Senior Bowl this year. He will go to the Combine, along with 25 owners, because there's a league meeting at the Combine."
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