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Old 01-25-2010, 02:00 PM   #31
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He needs to get a life. This guy has blown it in the big games for awhile now. I mean it has been what, like 14 years since his SB victory? He wants to go out a winner, that is cool, but sometimes you just need to hang it up. As for the Vikes, they better draft a QB in May or they are screwed when Favre does decide to retire. Tavaris Jackson made Gus Frerotte look good!!!!!!!
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:03 PM   #32
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That's when my sympathy for Favre plummeted. Everyone else could understand that the Packers had to consider their future, Rodgers was approaching possible free agency, etc. But Favre couldn't.

It must have been hard for Unitas to be let go so that he had to play in San Diego. It must have been hard for Montana to pass the torch in San Fran and move on to KC. But neither of those guys acted like a big entitled baby, which was Favre's response.
I'm decidedly in this camp as well, and I'm actually surprised at the level of sympathy he's generated for what happened with the Packers '08 season. That story begins with Favre informing the Packers that he was through playing football, and somehow the Packers' management ultimately gets faulted for having believed him. On few other occasions have I felt more convinced of contrived humility than when Favre tearfully proclaimed during his first retirement press conference that he hoped the Green Bay Packers organization believed that every dime they spent on him was worth it (as if the organization's, and the sports world's, glorification of his play was already pervasively evident--was he so utterly humble that he wanted us to believe he didn't notice it?!). I was even more confident of my first impression when only a few months later he orchestrated that ridiculous dramatic return to Green Bay, what with the preannounced landing at the airport and the arrival at Lambeau Field for the Family Night event, with the obvious aim to exploit the adoration that he tried to seem oblivious to in that retirement press conference in the hope that the organization's management would be public-pressured in to bending to his will. They didn't. Damn good for them.

I similarly was rooting against Favre last night. I understand that this thread is about his play, and yes, I agree, he played his heart out. But I'm still happy the egomaniacal Favre lost.
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If were building a modern-era team (which would exlude Unitas, Graham, Baugh, and maybe Starr), I'd put him in front of all of them except Manning, Young, and Montana, and tied with Marino. One factor you must consider is durability. Do I want the guy who will give me the single greatest game? (Warner could qualify for that one). Or do I want the guy who will give me the greatest decade? If the latter, you have to give more credit for Favre's durability and consistently high-level of play over a long period.
You said Favre was top 3 all-time. You cannot take out Unitas (3 championships), Graham (7 championships), Baugh (greatest player to ever play, 2 championships), and Starr (5 championships). These guys played in the pre-pass interference days when DBs could basically hold a WR all the way downfield.

You must be kidding if you would take Favre over; Elway (5 SB appearances, 2 rings), Brady (3 rings), Aikman (3 rings) and Jim Kelly (4 straight SB appearances)

EDIT: At the end of the day being a QB is more than just passing numbers, it's being a leader of men. And being a leader means you put your ego on the back burner for the sake of your teammates. Make the 5 yd pass when necessary, run and slide when necessary, be a good mentor and backup as your career winds down, the goal is for the team to win the game, not you (Favre) make the winning play to win the game. Favre's ego is what has cost his teams over the last few years.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:13 PM   #34
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You said Favre was top 3 all-time. You cannot take out Unitas (3 championships), Graham (7 championships), Baugh (greatest player to ever play, 2 championships), and Starr (5 championships). These guys played in the pre-pass interference days when DBs could basically hold a WR all the way downfield.

You must be kidding if you would take Favre over; Elway (5 SB appearances, 2 rings), Brady (3 rings), Aikman (3 rings) and Jim Kelly (4 straight SB appearances)

EDIT: At the end of the day being a QB is more than just passing numbers, it's being a leader of men. And being a leader means you put your ego on the back burner for the sake of your teammates. Make the 5 yd pass when necessary, run and slide when necessary, be a good mentor and backup as your career winds down, the goal is for the team to win the game, not you (Favre) make the winning play to win the game. Favre's ego is what has cost his teams over the last few years.

First, I didn't say Favre was all time top 3...another poster did. I said his play THIS year was top 5 in the league.

Second, if you want to make this a "best of all time" thread, you're going to have define "best". Is it stats, wins, championships, intangibles? You're never going to get everyone to agree on the definition of "best." That's why we have forums for debate.

BTW, I am on record in this forum suggesting that Bart Starr is the greatest QB of all time by any measurement, statistical or otherwise. I still wouldn't pick him to run a modern offense over Favre...different era, different type of player. Does that mean he's "worse"? Of course not.

At the end of the day, the best measure of a player can be assessed in a myriad of ways. Football is entertainment after all, and I doubt many would say that Favre is not one of, if not the most entertaining to watch.

Here is the link from this discussion two years ago...FWIW, Manning would now be on my top ten list.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post429191 (Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?)
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I'd take Favre over Jurgensen, Aikman, Kelly, Elway, Brady...and maybe Dan Fouts. But I would not take him over Tarkenton, plus anyone else on Slingin Sammy's list.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:34 PM   #36
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First, I didn't say Favre was all time top 3...another poster did. I said his play THIS year was top 5 in the league.
You responded and I assumed you were agreeing with skinsfaninok, my fault.

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Second, if you want to make this a "best of all time" thread, you're going to have define "best". Is it stats, wins, championships, intangibles? You're never going to get everyone to agree on the definition of "best." That's why we have forums for debate.

BTW, I am on record in this forum suggesting that Bart Starr is the greatest QB of all time by any measurement, statistical or otherwise. I still wouldn't pick him to run a modern offense over Favre...different era, different type of player. Does that mean he's "worse"? Of course not.

At the end of the day, the best measure of a player can be assessed in a myriad of ways. Football is entertainment after all, and I doubt many would say that Favre is not one of, if not the most entertaining to watch.
The measurement is certainly not cut in stone. If I'm a GM building a team and I can pick any QB, I'm considering the best in each era. I make the assumption that these great players of earlier eras given access to the advances in sports training/nutrition/medicine/film study/coaching/rule changes/better field conditions, they would be just as great in the modern era.

If I'm a GM in that scenario I don't take Favre over any of the guys on my list.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:52 PM   #37
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As we've seen this year, Favre can still play at a high level but maybe this is a good time for him to retire. The Vikings almost made the playoffs and he put up great numbers but who knows if he/they can repeat and get to the big game (neither AZ or Pitt made it this year). It would be a shame to end a great career on a 8-8 record and miss the playoffs.
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:23 PM   #38
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So if you're the GM of a team and you can have ANY all-time great, in his prime, which of these would you take Favre instead of:

Sammy Baugh
Sonny Jurgensen
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Dan Mario
Dan Fouts
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Jim Kelly
Montana , Elway , Marino , Staubach , Manning . I would add Sonny and Sammy < never saw Sammy , little of # 9. Fouts , I would have had to see him with less talent to put him above BF , same goes for Aikman .
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:12 PM   #39
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Fouts and the Chargers of the 1980's were of comparable talent with the Packers of the mid to late 90's. I would go with Fouts over Brett just for the ego thing alone. Marino would be a good pick over Favre also. He was at Miami forever. That team went to shit after the 80's and Dan didn't have much to work with after that, either.
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Old 01-26-2010, 10:59 AM   #40
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Maybe it was addressed and I'm sorry for being lazy and not looking, but it's painfully obvious that Brett loves the game. I like him a lot but am so damn tired of hearing how he's going to retire then not, then he is, then he's back.

Is there anyway a team could hire him as an offensive asst. or QB coach? Basically get him on a team as a coach in some capacity which still gives him a pay check and allows him to be a part of the team mentality but also keep him retired.
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:18 AM   #41
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Favre should never coach. He wouldn't help his backups for the past 5 or 6 seasons so why should you think he'd be able to groom young passers.
I also believe that great players make for bad coaches (Dikta being the possible exception).
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:49 AM   #42
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What made Brett Favre great this season, he didn't make the bonehead plays all season like he did in the NFC Championship. What I saw was the old Brett Favre, the gunslinger, the riverboat gambler that attempted to force the ball into coverage and throw interceptions at the worst point in the game. Some might call that entertaining but I call it dumb football. Greatest of all time...NOT!
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:51 AM   #43
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LMFAO if you think Campbell deserves a comparison to Favre. Almost everytime Jason took a hard hit, Collins would come in. Look at that game where he bruised his chest...Campbell might be tough, but there is no way at this point in his career he can be compared with Favre.

And 1 game for Mr. Favre? Have you been paying attention? Brett has been getting his shit pounded like that for 19 seasons...he's tough and has never missed a game. It remains seen if anyone will ever break his streak...

I believe his post was referring to one game and not his 19 season career. You are right when you take that into consideration, but if your comparing one game to JC's worst game of getting beat up there wasn't too much difference between the two on a one to one comparison. Don't let your hate for JC not let you make a honest assessment about his toughness. JC has a loooooooong way to go and a whole lot to accomplish before I would ever compare the two on a career to career basis. You may not think so, but I'm far from an idiot.
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So if you're the GM of a team and you can have ANY all-time great, in his prime, which of these would you take Favre instead of:

Sammy Baugh
Sonny Jurgensen
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Dan Mario
Dan Fouts
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Jim Kelly
I would take the following over Brett Favre.
Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady.
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:55 AM   #45
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greatest of all time? no. but what about greatest 40 yr old qb?

im a big favre fan, was real happy to follow him this year, those vikings-packers games were some of the best reg season games this year.

i think hes done though. he took a beating and said after the game that he was mentally and physically spent.

thank you brett favre, you've been hella fun to watch.
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