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Old 01-30-2010, 11:04 PM   #1
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Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

I want to know what OL, RB, QB draft prospects would work for Shanahans zone blocking, run first, decent running QB type offense.

As well as Hasletts 3-4 defense with our needs or what players could be 3-4 MLB's OLB's and DE's
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:32 PM   #2
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Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

Given the focus is on defense this year I can honestly say that I don't jack past names like Cody and McClain. However what I do know is guys who fit on the O-Line

Obviously Okung is a shoe in. However from the second round on back there are many good O-Line prospects

Charles Brown - T - USC - Quick first step and gets into sound position. Does not provide a strong initial surge but can sink hips and regain leverage. Has the lateral quickness to scoop defensive tackles and hook defensive ends. Questionable balance and slips off too many blocks.

Note: If you see anywhere in a players profile that he has the ability to "scoop" anything then chances are he's a good fit for a zone blocking scheme. Other buzz words you want to look for include things like "takes good angles", "gets to the second level, and "quick first step.

Selvish Capers - T - West Virginia - Not going to drive many defenders off the ball. Plays far too high and legs can go dead on contact. On the other hand, has above-average athletic ability. Can scoop 3-techniques and seal 5- and 7- techniques inside. Doesn't always take sound angles to downfield blocks but has above-average range and body control so h ecan cover up linebackers when technique is sound.

Note: He seems more like a RT at this point and didn't do much to justify taking him as a LT. If we had our 3rd round pick still I would love to see if he could fall that far, though tackles rated as highly as Capers rarely do


Jason Fox - T - Miami -
Has enough range to effectively pull and flashes the ability to cut off linebackers at the second level. Works to sustain once locked on but doesn't get much push. While he is agile enough to be an effective zone blocker he takes too many false steps and will have a difficult time hooking 5-techniques and scooping 3-techniques at the NFL level unless footwork improves.

Note: Seems like a nice late round pick that can be developed. Definitely has great size.

Vladamir Ducasse - T/G - UMass - Displays a quick first step and takes strong angles to the point. Plays with balance and leverage and is able to engulf defenders with massive frame and strength. Moves well in the open field and can adjust on the move in space. However needs to take more precise angles when cutting off linebackers and could use to play with lower pad level at times.

Note: My personal favorite right now. If this year ends up being a top heavy tackle draft then Ducasse could end up being a steal. He has the size and quickness to succeed at LT. In fact a better way to describe him might be a poor mans Brandon Albert.

Mike Johnson - G - Alabama - While he doesn't always get great push he uses excellent hand placement and rarely slips off blocks once locked on. Is quick and masks a lack of ideal body control in space by taking sound angles to second-level blocks. Can scoop 1-techniques and hook 3-techniques so he may be a good fit for a team that does a lot of zone blocking. Footwork is inconsistent, though. Takes too many false steps and plays too high when asked to drive defensive tackles off the ball.

Note: Would be a solid pick if we got him in the fourth


Sergio Rendar - G - VT - Lower-body strength appears above-average and can drive defensive tackles off the ball when plays with sound leverage. Effective down-blocker who can collapse defensive tackles inside. Can get around the center when asked to trap. Though he doesn't show great body control in space is big enough to engulf linebackers and willing to throw his body around when he gets to the second level. Hands slip outside the defender's frame a little too often and holding could be an issue until he cleans up his technique.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:44 PM   #3
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As far as free agents go anyone on the Bronoco's right now would probably be a good fit. Ben Hamilton is projected to be an UFA and the team could release G Chris Kuper and Running Back Peyton Hillis.

However the Free Agent that intrigues me the most is Daryn Colledge. Colledge is a versitle lineman thats projected to be released soon by the Green Bay Packers. He's exactly the type of bargain that a line in tranistion could use with the prospect of keeping him long term if he works out. The only catch is weather Green Bay will flat out release him and make him an UFA (at least thats how I believe the way the system works).

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Greg A. Bedard, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports the Green Bay Packers are trying to decide whether to offer restricted free-agent OT Daryn Colledge a second-round tender or not tender him a contract at all, according to sources.
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Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

I would like to see j norwood here, he has very good speed and is a veteran back.. Defense is ok we just need to add a couple more lb's ... Maybe a cb or 2.. On draft day I'm torn between okung and Bradford at 4.. We really need oline but we also need a qb of the future.. Every draft guru has Sam the best qb in this draft .. Honestly I bet okung goes to Detroit anyway.
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Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

I was just thinking about about any QB in the league that could help us if not take over for JC, at least help in practice and serve as a solid backup. Matt Shaub and Jay Cutler have worked exclusively with Mike/Kyle Shannahan but are already franchise QB's elsewhere. One name that comes to mind is one that we drafted and thats Sage Rosenfels. In Houston he served as a reliable backup and knows the offense that Kyle Shannahan runs. Greise is gone, Plummer, Elway of course. Can anyone think of any other QB's that have worked for the Shannahans?
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Can anyone think of any other QB's that have worked for the Shannahans?
Patrick Ramsey.
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Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

Heres a guy I think we could get and would not only fit in a 3-4 defense but a 4-3 offense. YouTube - LB Sean Weatherspoon Highlights/Lowlights 2009 Missouri
He's 6'2 250lbs and was an OLB in a 4-3 but could easily be a 3-4 ILB with his size...reminds me a lot of Karlos Dansby of the Cardinals.
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Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

Damn 6'2 250? He is a monster LB. My thing about the switch to the 3-4 is won't that pretty much negate the effectiveness of AH?
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Damn 6'2 250? He is a monster LB. My thing about the switch to the 3-4 is won't that pretty much negate the effectiveness of AH?
yeah i was thinking the same thing of AH...it will really blow to have a guy thats making 100 mil and being a 4 technique specialist and cant be our "casey hampton"

i would really like to see Okung at 4 but like said before if Suh goes to the rams i can see detroit taking him. Im not against drafting a qb it just scares me due to the ryan leaf's, david carr's, and joey harringtons of the world. I would rather go with the "safe" pick and sure up our line. I cant think of much qb-wise that would be available to us in free agency tho...and NO patrick ramsey isnt a good fit 8P...i never liked that guy for some reason lol
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Re: Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

The ESPN crew had a couple comments about Haslett going to a 3-4. Basically we need to find a way to maximize London's tackling ability.

I still don't agree at all w/ the strategy. The offense needs a massive overhaul to compete in the league, while running a 4-3 defense we're pretty close to set already. Switching to the 3/4 just means we have to draft acquire guys on the defensive side, which is a shame when we could literally use every draft pick on offense, sign 2 or 3 offensive FAs, and probably still be a bit below avg on offensive talent.

On the one hand I'd say Allen and Shanny's decision to go w/ Haslett and the 3-4 means they're committed to a rebuild time of at least a couple years. On the other hand I don't sense Haslett will be here long. Shanny rarely gives his defenses, both coaching and roster, a chance to put something together over the long haul. And Haslett hasn't had great success anywhere. I tend to think he's here for a year, two at most.
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Vince Wilfork NT do it!
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The ESPN crew had a couple comments about Haslett going to a 3-4. Basically we need to find a way to maximize London's tackling ability.

I still don't agree at all w/ the strategy. The offense needs a massive overhaul to compete in the league, while running a 4-3 defense we're pretty close to set already. Switching to the 3/4 just means we have to draft acquire guys on the defensive side, which is a shame when we could literally use every draft pick on offense, sign 2 or 3 offensive FAs, and probably still be a bit below avg on offensive talent.

On the one hand I'd say Allen and Shanny's decision to go w/ Haslett and the 3-4 means they're committed to a rebuild time of at least a couple years. On the other hand I don't sense Haslett will be here long. Shanny rarely gives his defenses, both coaching and roster, a chance to put something together over the long haul. And Haslett hasn't had great success anywhere. I tend to think he's here for a year, two at most.
i get your points and agree with you 100%...we had a piss poor offense last year but a top ten defense. they should stick with the 4-3 (plus it will screw me up in madden cause i only like playing the 4-3 lol) and draft the essentials on offense that we need and maybe pick up a receiver thats ABOVE 5'10" urgh (i know we have the young guys but we could use a Boldin or Marshall type of guy) to help whomever thats under center out.
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The ESPN crew had a couple comments about Haslett going to a 3-4. Basically we need to find a way to maximize London's tackling ability.

I still don't agree at all w/ the strategy. The offense needs a massive overhaul to compete in the league, while running a 4-3 defense we're pretty close to set already. Switching to the 3/4 just means we have to draft acquire guys on the defensive side, which is a shame when we could literally use every draft pick on offense, sign 2 or 3 offensive FAs, and probably still be a bit below avg on offensive talent.
On the one hand I'd say Allen and Shanny's decision to go w/ Haslett and the 3-4 means they're committed to a rebuild time of at least a couple years. On the other hand I don't sense Haslett will be here long. Shanny rarely gives his defenses, both coaching and roster, a chance to put something together over the long haul. And Haslett hasn't had great success anywhere. I tend to think he's here for a year, two at most.
First off, it's going to be an uncapped year so we could easily get Julius Peppers and have him as an OLB, sign Larry Foote from Detroit and have him at MLB with Fletch to teach them the 3-4, then we could go after Hampton and Wilfork, but probably won't get either sense both their franchises will either tag them or resign them before free agency. That just leaves question marks at NT and the other DE position, even though I believe that Haynesworth will be one DE and Gholston, Alexander could rotate as starters as the other end and Montgomery could be our NT. We could draft someone like Vince Ogabassee from Duke as a 3-4 DE cause he's 6'6 305 and an athletic DT in a 4-3, or we could get an Arthur jones coming off an injury, he graded out to be a first rounder, corey wooten the same.
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First off, it's going to be an uncapped year so we could easily get Julius Peppers and have him as an OLB, sign Larry Foote from Detroit and have him at MLB with Fletch to teach them the 3-4, then we could go after Hampton and Wilfork, but probably won't get either sense both their franchises will either tag them or resign them before free agency. That just leaves question marks at NT and the other DE position, even though I believe that Haynesworth will be one DE and Gholston, Alexander could rotate as starters as the other end and Montgomery could be our NT. We could draft someone like Vince Ogabassee from Duke as a 3-4 DE cause he's 6'6 305 and an athletic DT in a 4-3, or we could get an Arthur jones coming off an injury, he graded out to be a first rounder, corey wooten the same.
i get the uncapped year thing but what happens if the cap returns? then the team would have to get purged to get under the cap...i think they should spend a little but not go overboard...peppers would be amazing and hes made it known that hes wanted to try being a 3-4 linebacker...hell they even made mention of that on the pro bowl telecast tonight. i doubt hampton is going anywhere...wilfork on the other hand prob is. he wants a long term big money deal and its not looking like the pats are willing to do it (although im sure an uncapped year may change their minds a little). im unsure how effect AH would be in the 3 technique but who knows. I really like your sig tho...he does have 100 million reasons to play whatever the fuck position they put him in lol
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Vince Wilfork NT do it!
You do realize that he wants a Haynesworth type deal right?
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