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Old 02-01-2010, 01:37 PM   #31
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Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)

I thought the main issue was the fact that Denver wanted a QB that they felt could be a starter...and they didn't feel sold on JC...
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:38 PM   #32
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Sam is a can't miss guy.. Seriously we cant pass him up at 4.

BS we can't. Sam can't take hits obviously, so why do you want him? His backup performed rather nicely during the bowl game. I will keep saying this till I am blue in the face, we need to get a guy that made his team better, ala Levefour or Kafka. Sam is a very good QB OKIE, but face it he was loaded with so much talent on offense an average QB could have made All American. The same goes for Tebow or McCoy. Lefevour had some talent on Central Michigan that helped him a bit, and Kafka was the entire NU offense. You take away Kafka from Northwestern, and the Wildcats don't win a game in '09. Both guys(Lefevour, Kafka) are good on their feet and can run when they need to.
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Its been a while now, but i thought everything i remembering hearing was that the Redskins were offering essentially the same thing (two first and a third plus their QB) for Cutler. But Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell.

Where did you hear that the Redskins decided that the draft picks evolved where too high? I found this that seems to go along with what I remember with Orton valued over Campbell in the eyes of the Broncos, I forgot about the 3 way deal talk. But maybe something came out later with more details?


Cutler traded to Chicago | Washington Examiner

However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver’s preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell.

So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.

“They had the compensation,” another NFL source said of the Redskins. “In the end they chose Orton over Campbell.”
It was my understanding that the Bears had a better offer because Washington didn't want to give up a first rounder...

Chicago Bears acquire Jay Cutler from Denver Broncos for Kyle Orton, picks - ESPN

Even if Denver chose Campbell over Orton, it didn't have much to do about whether one QB was better than the other, and more of which QB McD felt fit his "system" better. Given what transpired in the 2009 season, it is hard to straight up determine which of these QBs is the better one, however, at that moment I think the best QB for Denver was Cutler...it's just that McD wanted his own players and dismantled the Denver offense.
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Re: RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)

True. It would be hard for anyone, including the Denver FO, to value Orton over Campbell or vice versa head-up in any major, substantial way. It's not like we're talking about Peyton Manning vs. Quincy Carter here. To the extent that such a valuation would have occurred, it would have unraveled within the context of "best for OUR SYSTEM."
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True. It would be hard for anyone, including the Denver FO, to value Orton over Campbell or vice versa head-up in any major, substantial way. It's not like we're talking about Peyton Manning vs. Quincy Carter here. To the extent that such a valuation would have occurred, it would have unraveled within the context of "best for OUR SYSTEM."
quincy carter lol wow its been forever since i heard that name

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Dumb trade if it happens. Brandon Marshall at least can perform and give a team good production, while Quinn is probably going to end up a major bust. He was the most overhyped college football player of all time in my opinion. I know NBC has the TV deal with ND, but come on, ND sucked with Brady Quinn.
im still not on the quinn is a bust train yet...i want to see him with a decent line, with a decent running game, and some decent receivers all of which the browns have not had in awhile. i really dont think nd was that bad with him...i think he made more with less than Clausen has IMO
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I would prefer we kept our draft picks and picked up T.O. with the understanding he is to help McCardell teach the WR's we have now.
Seriously? I could do without seeing and hearing TO everyday.
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I would prefer we kept our draft picks and picked up T.O. with the understanding he is to help McCardell teach the WR's we have now.
What in the world makes you think TO will teach anybody.
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Quinn hasn't had a legit shot yet. The Browns are horrible and his support has sucked. Like someone else said, even if he goes to Denver he probably won't have much to work with either, but at least it's a much better organization that typically wins. The main problem with Denver these days is that McDaniels ego is way too big and it's going to continue to cost them valuable games.
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Quinn hasn't had a legit shot yet. The Browns are horrible and his support has sucked. Like someone else said, even if he goes to Denver he probably won't have much to work with either, but at least it's a much better organization that typically wins. The main problem with Denver these days is that McDaniels ego is way too big and it's going to continue to cost them valuable games.
nice to see that we think alike. 8) yeah i was saying that he will be pretty much in the same situation like hes in with the browns if they do that trade...except the broncos have a better line and will actually spend money on players to win. i liked mcdaniels after he beat new england...he seems down to earth but when your one win away from the playoffs and because you wanna set an example of a player, who happens to be the only pro bowler you have on offense, and proceed to lose the game you lose a little respect from me. This league is about winning and if you do dumb shit like that to make an example of Marshall and lose out on the playoffs you will not be there long. that wasnt like singletary sitting davis where they had more on offense to still be affective to set an example. marshall will not be there next year without a doubt but if we see him in a browns jersey it wont be from a trade that is him for quinn straight up. i really wanna see quinn succeed cause i actually believe he can be a good nfl qb but with a bunch of 3rd and 4th string receivers as your starters, a lackluster running game (although they started to look better with Harrison starting) and a defense that cant stop anyone he doesnt have much of a chance and will be labeled as a bust without having a true shot. Thats kinda the same reason i feel for JC but i also know that JC has had talent around him and no matter how many different systems your in it boils down to accuracy and being able to read the defense and the field which he has shown to not do on a consistant basis.
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All I care about is getting BM in a Redskin uniform.
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All I care about is getting BM in a Redskin uniform.
So you have the old thinking of giving up picks for a splashy free agent? I thought that was over when Cerrato left town.
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i would like to also see him as a redskin but i cant see giving up a bunch of picks for him either...we need our 4th pick to get the best possible youngster we can get (am i allowed to use the term youngster since im only 28 lol)
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Brandon Marshall has a history of not getting along with Shanny (and McDaniels, too). BM is not comin' to D.C.
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Its been a while now, but i thought everything i remembering hearing was that the Redskins were offering essentially the same thing (two first and a third plus their QB) for Cutler. But Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell.
we were offering closer to a 1st, 3rd, and Campbell I believe
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So you have the old thinking of giving up picks for a splashy free agent? I thought that was over when Cerrato left town.
Sorry but Marshall is a lot more than a "splashy free agent." It's one thing bringing in guys like ARE, Lloyd and Moss. But this guy can just take over and catch 20 passes in one game. Shanahan will know how to use him. If a player of this caliber is on the market, which it looks like he is, then we need to do everything we can to get him. BM is a true #1 wr and it's exactly what the offense needs. He would make everyone on our offense better.
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