How about moving Rogers to free safety?

GTripp0012 · 02-11-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

For people that watch soccer, trying to put a CB at S is like trying to move a left or right back to center back. Sure you can do it but 9 times out of 10 it's a bad idea. Hopefully the one or two people understand this post can appreciate what I'm trying to say.

We could make it a good move by sneaking a twelfth guy onto the field, while no one is looking. Bet those European Footballers never thought of that!

DIE-NASTY · 02-11-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Because guys like Woodson, Springs, and Rolle have all done it

Rod woodson too. It's not out of the question. But I'd rather give K.Moore a shot and move Landry to SS. I don't think Horton has the range though he's had a nose for the ball.

DIE-NASTY · 02-11-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

What about Horton as far as if Moore is at FS and Landry is at SS? Or what about Horton playing FS? I'm assuming you mean the first and in that case, unfortunately Horton won't be starting. If the second, I'm not sure what there's been seen to go with that suggestion.

What about Smoot at FS if we can't fill the role otherwise?

I'm sure Horton will play in certain packages. i like the guy and think he could be a quality starter (trading LL might not be a bad idea).

Smoot is terrible. He should be cut.

DIE-NASTY · 02-11-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah that was my thinking, plus his skillset, but yeah I wouldn't want to count on him without exploring other options.

That's what I thought you meant with Horton, unfortunately it probably doesn't give him much of an option, but if Landry is moving to SS primarily, well.. I'd take Landry too. What other option would Horton have to start other than putting on 20-30lbs or so and trying his hand at ILB? Hard to say.

While at what are we going to do with Player X, what about Jarmon if we switch to 3-4, etc? Probably better for a different thread, but there are definitely a number of personnel decisions to be made on the D side of the ball.

Horton at OLB. He isn't afraid of putting his face in someone's chest and he has the speed to cover the flats...interesting. I was a fan of signing Roy Williams for that experiment last year. Ideally, you want a player that has played the position but these guys are so athletic that they can or should be able to play multiple positions (what's the difference between playing SS and OLB?) Having played both, granted in HS, the only difference is about 5 yards difference off the LOS and coverage responsibilities.

I wonder if he can put that much weight on.

GusFrerotte · 02-11-2010, 10:01 PM

WE need to keep Carlos at CB. Our problems in the defensive backfield are not going to be fixed by simply switching a guy over. We are thin in terms of real talent in safeties and cornerbacks.

The Goat · 02-11-2010, 10:43 PM

Ummmmmmmmmmmm no.

You don't put the guy w/ hoof hands in a position where he needs to at least have the ability to catch the pigskin.

Rogers plays another year or two of football, so long as his physical ability allows him to blanket the better WRs in the league, and then he's history. The notion he was a great corner will go down as the second greatest myth in Skins history behind the one about Landry being a big-play/big-hit safety.

30gut · 02-12-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Could Rogers be a good free safety for us?

A move to FS would allow Landry to move back to SS, we keep Hall on a corner, and we fill the other CB position in free agency. Rogers is a pretty good tackler but has stone hands when he has to adjust quickly to the ball. The FS position would allow him to keep the ball in front of him (which might help). I don't see him moving into the elite category of CB's in this league, but I could see him as being so versatile from the FS position that he could be matched up against anyone creating confusion for opposing offenses.

If he would go for it, does anyone else think this would work?

Nope.
I think that Rogers has no feel for the ball, isn't good in zone coverage and doesn't have good ball skills.
All these are important parts of playing FS.
If your looking for a CB to play FS i think that Hall has everything you would want to be a great FS.
He has a great natural feel for the ball, he's better in zone coverage and is great when the play is in front of him and breaks down hill on the ball, reacts very well to the ball in flight and has great hands and return ability also he's fast so he could cover a lot of ground.

30gut · 02-12-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

For people that watch soccer, trying to put a CB at S is like trying to move a left or right back to center back. Sure you can do it but 9 times out of 10 it's a bad idea. Hopefully the one or two people understand this post can appreciate what I'm trying to say.

Huge soccer fan here, and i think moving a CB to S is more like moving a good forward/striker to midfield. Sometimes you get a dynamic attacking playmaking midfielder but you usually just lose a good forward.

Zerohero · 02-12-2010, 01:36 AM

For some reason i don't seem him taking that well.

Dirtbag59 · 02-12-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We could make it a good move by sneaking a twelfth guy onto the field, while no one is looking. Bet those European Footballers never thought of that!

Actually.....

tryfuhl · 02-12-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I favor getting really crazy and going right to a 3-3-5.

Rogers and Barnes at the corners, Hall or Landry at free safety, Horton at strong safety, Doughty at weak safety. Then Orakpo as a rush LB with Blades and Fletcher as interior types in a gap-focused scheme. Haynesworth-Alexander-Jarmon/Carter on the DL.

Rogers at free safety seems like a bit of a waste, considering that the regression of the scheme in DB aggressiveness (a staple of the Gregg Williams scheme) seems to be primarily to blame for Rogers' poor season, but all the points I would have made seem to have been made already, so I have little to add but to propose a ridiculous defensive alignment.

Alexander in the middle? shouldn't the middle guy in a 3-3-5 bring a double team against him?

tryfuhl · 02-12-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DIE-NASTY

Horton at OLB. He isn't afraid of putting his face in someone's chest and he has the speed to cover the flats...interesting. I was a fan of signing Roy Williams for that experiment last year. Ideally, you want a player that has played the position but these guys are so athletic that they can or should be able to play multiple positions (what's the difference between playing SS and OLB?) Having played both, granted in HS, the only difference is about 5 yards difference off the LOS and coverage responsibilities.

I wonder if he can put that much weight on.

yeah that's why I was suggesting maybe ILB.. that's quite a bit of weight to put on.. he has enough speed now, but 30 pounds heavier will he? can he go up against a big TE, rb like Jacobs, etc?

tryfuhl · 02-12-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DIE-NASTY

Rod woodson too. It's not out of the question. But I'd rather give K.Moore a shot and move Landry to SS. I don't think Horton has the range though he's had a nose for the ball.

He got a couple of INTs right his way, including tips, I'm not sure that's a nose for the ball.. he's a bit of a liability in coverage.

mlmdub130 · 02-12-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Because guys like Woodson, Springs, and Rolle have all done it

and how does los fit in with that group of guys????

Trample the Elderly · 02-12-2010, 04:12 PM

How about sticking a boot up his ass?

Better yet, how about replacing his bricks with hands?

02-11-2010, 10:01 PM	#35
GusFrerotte Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 3,963	Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety? WE need to keep Carlos at CB. Our problems in the defensive backfield are not going to be fixed by simply switching a guy over. We are thin in terms of real talent in safeties and cornerbacks.

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The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,044	Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety? Ummmmmmmmmmmm no. You don't put the guy w/ hoof hands in a position where he needs to at least have the ability to catch the pigskin. Rogers plays another year or two of football, so long as his physical ability allows him to blanket the better WRs in the league, and then he's history. The notion he was a great corner will go down as the second greatest myth in Skins history behind the one about Landry being a big-play/big-hit safety. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

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Zerohero Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: newport news, va Age: 34 Posts: 723	Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety? For some reason i don't seem him taking that well.

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Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 35 Posts: 2,906	Re: How about moving Rogers to free safety? How about sticking a boot up his ass? Better yet, how about replacing his bricks with hands? __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

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