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Old 02-17-2010, 08:05 AM   #91
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How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?
Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:29 AM   #92
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Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.
If that, I think people saw potential in Colt then, but now he's a 26 year old (27 when the season starts) who hasn't gotten any closer to playing, he'd probably go undrafted.
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Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.
Yeah but even hypothetically, it takes away part of the point of starting him. I'm not saying if we put him back in the draft he'd be taken before Bradford or Clausen, what i AM saying is if we let it be a competition between him and campbell then we don't hafta use one of our 5 remaining picks on a QB. Our Oline is garbage, we don't have the personnel for a 3-4. WE ONLY HAVE 5 PICKS! So we grab some Olineman, cuz any drafted anywhere can compete with our current starters. And Defense (LBs, FSs, DEs) usually play in a rotation so everyone gets snaps plus special teams. Id rather get players that are gonna contribute in some way this year than waste a pick on a "project" that will spend a year on the bench "learning." And if we use our #4 pick on a Bradford or a Clausen, then we have just taken sum1 who will backup Campbell his 1st year over someone who could start ON DAY ONE! We have too many needs.

Onto Brennan, im sure ive shown enough support for this idea in other threads. Colt Brennan is a classic gunslinger. I think the way Colt plays the game is exactly what Mike Shanahan needs. And why take a "project" in this draft when we already have an untested "project" already on the roster. I understand its not Shanny's "project" but its a project nonetheless and it would save us a draft pick. I'm tired of hearing about his performance in the Georgia game. Yes, he was humbled in that game. You guys say outmatched, but HIS WHOLE TEAM WAS OUTMATCHED. You take an offense that only throws, put a defense against it that drops 8 in coverage and can get a heavy pass rush from 3 NFL-READY Dlineman than anyone would fail. His Olineman couldnt stop those pass rushers. The game highlighted the SPREAD offense's weaknesses not Brennan's. Im not saying he'll be a star right off cuz we've only seen him against 2nd/3rd stringers but in those 2nd n 3rd stringers are older vets AND higher draft picks than him (just sayin). But i see sumthing in Brennan that ive never seen in Campbell.....HEART! The kid is a WINNER and settles for nothing less. When he was playing semi-pro/community college ball and was applying to real colleges, Hawaii coach June Jones called him and asked him if he was ready to be great, n if not, just hang up the phone. Well im sure Colt took that as a challenge and thats why he ended up going there. Cuz no1 was gonna tell him he wasnt ready to be great. And we all know how that ended up (records, stats, etc.) but at hawaii i saw even more than that. I saw a kid who LOVED playing football, who loved commanding the huddle, who always had a smile on his face, and who congratulated EVERY SINGLE teammate anytime they did anything productive. high fives, slappin pads, whatever it was he was a leader and he got the whole team excited and he's the kinda kid a whole team could rally around. He even learned SAMOAN to help his offensive line make line calls at the line and blitz pickups and pass protections. JASON CAMPBELL WONT EVEN CALL AUDIBLES! So he gets drafted in the 6th round, another disappointment for him, so what does he do? doesnt get down, decided the best revenge was too work hard and put up an impressive preseason for himself his rookie year. Id give this kid a shot on attitude alone. He's just a fiery kid you cant help but root for. Everyone compares him to a Brett Favre or a Tony Romo. WELL THATS NOT BAD COMPANY. Tony Romo went undrafted look how he turned out. So dont say cuz he was drafted in the 6th he cant be good. And brett favre, He was a third-string quarterback with an affinity for partying, He went 0 for 5 passing with two interceptions and His very first pass in the NFL resulted in a touchdown. . . for the other team. So im tellin you, we cant give up on him before he even gets a chance. Yeah he had the hip injury this past preseason and wasnt able to drive off that back leg as well as he is accustomed to doing, thats why he threw that pick against the pats. But did you see what he did after, came back in, with a blitz in his face, and bodies flying all around him, he stood tough in the pocket and launched a beautifully accurate pass to Marko Mitchell for a TD of like 40-50 yards. That's what we need, a kid who is resilient. Jason Campbell looks like Eeyore on the field, either depressed about one of his recent plays or depressed about a bad play he sees upcoming. In a two minute drill i would give Brennan the reigns before i give it to Campbell. Cuz Brennan wants to win, Campbell has the look of "We're already losing, we cant come back now." But this isnt a Campbell bashing thread, its in support of Colt Brennan. So he finds out about this tear in his hip, gets it surgically fixed, which is a normal procedure, it wasnt a torn acl, mcl, pcl, rotator cuff, shoulder, so there was NO reason he shoulda been on IR. Zorn robbed Brennan of "possible" playing time but def of a season. He has moxie, if we dont play him some one will (falcons didnt play favre, packers did.) And he will continue to get better. So maybe he's the man, maybe he isnt but id give him a shot. Shanahan's offense is built off the run, working in with play action. The QB in his offense needs to be someone who is mobile/can move the pocket, and is accurate. Those are two of Brennan's biggest strengths now AND when he was coming out of college. I dont want to waste picks this year, especially on QB (cuz whether its a $40 mill guaranteed guy or a "project", they are possibly gonna lose a year of development in a 2011 lockout.) Brennan at least already has two years in the league. So it is just the old adage, Dont knock it till you try it :-P

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lol very underrated. But what i forgot to mention is, if we draft a QB in any round, I'm sure Brennan will be done with the skins :-( Cuz wit Campbell, A rumored Veteran backup, and a shanahan pick, there just wont be room for him :-(
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lol very underrated. But what i forgot to mention is, if we draft a QB in any round, I'm sure Brennan will be done with the skins :-( Cuz wit Campbell, A rumored Veteran backup, and a shanahan pick, there just wont be room for him :-(
That's the scenario I see happening. JC is back as the starter, we possibly draft a QB to groom, and look to bring in a vet to be the #2.
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I hope Shanahan and Allen are a lot smarter than some of the discussion on this site.This debate about Campbell, Colt and Bradford is a bunch of bull. It's really irrelevant to the serious problems the Redskins have. I would hate to see the Redskins invest heavily in a franchise quarterback, only to allow him to get killed behind a pathetic offensive line. The offense is completely doomed until they address the offensive line. Nothing will work. Not passing the ball or running. Any knowledgeable football fan should know that a team is only as good as the guys in the trenches, offensive and defensive lines. Teams with consistent success always build upfront. The problem with the Skins, they are always going after high profile players, wasting draft picks so they cannot build up their depth. Shanahan and Allen need to bread this cycle. Who they select with the #4 pick will dictate the path they choose. Picking a quarterback, coming off season ending surgery (Bradford), just to get him killed, is asinine. Thinking a quarterback that is coming back from a career threatening injury is also asinine.
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I'd like for JC to be traded...have a veteran start for a year (someone LIKE Culpepper, Pennington, or Garcia), and have the drafted QB and Colt Brennan be the backups. Then next season, the draftee or Colt could be ready to start, and we have a veteran backup....
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Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.
I don't know. I'd say with that first preseason he proved he should have been drafted higher. Maybe 4th or 5th round. Possibly as high as the 3rd.
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That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway..
Plummer and to a lesser extent, Griese, might disagree with you
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We are better without Candle. The OL is bad but when given time he does the same thing. OL does not let you:.

-Throw more accurate passes.
-Throw down the field perfect
- Make u read plays on the defense
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what the shit are you talking about? can somebody tell me, because I don't think that you can...

more accuracy? once you can set your feet that helps
throw down the field perfectly? see the first answer
make you read plays? ummm when you have time it's a lot easier

I don't think that Campbell is necessarily our long-term answer and I'm not saying he's perfect in any of those categories but for you to say that the OL doesn't affect those attributes is moronic at best.
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I hope Shanahan and Allen are a lot smarter than some of the discussion on this site.This debate about Campbell, Colt and Bradford is a bunch of bull. It's really irrelevant to the serious problems the Redskins have. I would hate to see the Redskins invest heavily in a franchise quarterback, only to allow him to get killed behind a pathetic offensive line. The offense is completely doomed until they address the offensive line. Nothing will work. Not passing the ball or running. Any knowledgeable football fan should know that a team is only as good as the guys in the trenches, offensive and defensive lines. Teams with consistent success always build upfront. The problem with the Skins, they are always going after high profile players, wasting draft picks so they cannot build up their depth. Shanahan and Allen need to bread this cycle. Who they select with the #4 pick will dictate the path they choose. Picking a quarterback, coming off season ending surgery (Bradford), just to get him killed, is asinine. Thinking a quarterback that is coming back from a career threatening injury is also asinine.
That IS MY case for Colt. So we can use the 5 picks we have for the necessary OLineman we need to build sumthin that resembles an offense, and still get a fresh start at QB
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Agreed. Sam Bradford is a good QB for Shanahan to have even Jimmy Clausen. I liked Colt Brennan but he doesn't have the mechanics in the throwing motion to do good.
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Thats funny. Todd Collins can make an good argument about that.


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Only reason Candle comes back up from his poor piss reading plays is because he knows his job is on the line. I herd on the LaVar show on JAN 7th that he said he doesnt welcome or approve of us drafting a QB because he feels like hes a starter in this league. He proved that in 08 with the trade thing he wanted, (btw nobody wanted him because he sucked) and now he wont want it right now. If we get a trade for him than holla loya,
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I don't know. I'd say with that first preseason he proved he should have been drafted higher. Maybe 4th or 5th round. Possibly as high as the 3rd.
So what did the 2nd preseason prove?
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