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Old 02-17-2010, 12:55 PM   #121
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:56 PM   #122
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No i didnt mean draft 5 olineman and expect them to start, my bad, but we could grab two tackles (with high potential to start) with the 1st two picks, wit Samuels prolly retiring the 1st rounder would be a shoe-in. Then the 2nd rounder whether it be Ducassee or Brown from USC, they would only hafta outperform Heyer (how hard can that be lol). Seems like alot of rumors we'll be fixin the interior of our line with past shanahan guys in FA. use the remaining 3 picks on BPA in RB, LB, DE/NT or categories. Bring in an Undrafted QB if yu want a project.
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm more of a "Trust in Shanahallen" kinda mode right now. I'll be fine with whatever they do, if Shanahan doesn't like a top tackle for his blocking scheme (possible) I'm not going to have a conniption.

At this point, whatever they decide to do, they have patience from me.
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:57 PM   #123
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But I thought we never had time on the OL to go deep?.
Jesus you're dense. Campbell had similar throws. Is he the best at throwing the deep ball? No. Did he hold onto the ball too long/not protect it well enough at times? Sure! I can make any QB look mediocre by picking out a handful of plays a year or speaking on their weaknesses.

Let me explain why it worked for Collins; they didn't expect it. You bring in a backup and they expect you to go a bit easier on him with the throws or to hand the ball off. We surprised two teams with a couple of throws, it happens.
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Honestly, the only offensive assumption that I am going to make based off the last two years is that the o-line did not have enough talent.

I don't think anyone can write off Colt from what we have seen. I think they should release Collins because of his age but, at this moment, if you needed someone to come off the bench I think Collins would be the first choice over Colt.
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It's no wonder that he single-handedly won the Super Bowl.
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Old 02-17-2010, 01:22 PM   #126
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Jesus you're dense. Campbell had similar throws. Is he the best at throwing the deep ball? No. Did he hold onto the ball too long/not protect it well enough at times? Sure! I can make any QB look mediocre by picking out a handful of plays a year or speaking on their weaknesses.

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Wait that doesnt make sense. Basically your saying it worked because the other team felt he was easier????. I mean you could of just have said " it worked because the OL gave him time on those plays and not for Campbell" but you said it worked because they didn't expect it?. No kidding because with Campbell 77% throws for 10 yards and less I wouldn't expect anything big either.

I mean but I agree on the Campbell part. Campbell isn't a WCO type of QB and regardless of his stats he's best year in my view was 07, he atleast connected on the deep balls alot better and shown more confidence .
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Wait that doesnt make sense. Basically your saying it worked because the other team felt he was easier????. I mean you could of just have said " it worked because the OL gave him time on those plays and not for Campbell" but you said it worked because they didn't expect it?. No kidding because with Campbell 77% throws for 10 yards and less I wouldn't expect anything big either.

I mean but I agree on the Campbell part. Campbell isn't a WCO type of QB and regardless of his stats he's best year in my view was 07, he atleast connected on the deep balls alot better and shown more confidence .
How does a qb show confidence when he is regularly battered on three step drops?
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Old 02-17-2010, 01:54 PM   #128
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^^^ part of the problem with JC getting regularly battered on 3 step drops is b/c JC doesnt read blitzes or defenses very well. A 5th year qb should be able to detect a LB lined up outside the RE foaming at the mouth with his ears pinned back. does JC call an audible? no. does JC move a TE over to help levi jones? no.

what happens? JC drops back like he doesnt know the blitzer is coming and gets creamed.

the problem with our protecttion was lack of talent, play calling and JC not reading a blitz or making any formation adjustments pre-snap.

a HC in zorn who was over his head, a qb who doesnt succeed in the mental aspects of playing qb and injuries to an already paper thin OL = 4-12 with one of the worst offenses in the league.

theres plenty of blame to go around imo.
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Wait that doesnt make sense. Basically your saying it worked because the other team felt he was easier????. I mean you could of just have said " it worked because the OL gave him time on those plays and not for Campbell" but you said it worked because they didn't expect it?. No kidding because with Campbell 77% throws for 10 yards and less I wouldn't expect anything big either.

I mean but I agree on the Campbell part. Campbell isn't a WCO type of QB and regardless of his stats he's best year in my view was 07, he atleast connected on the deep balls alot better and shown more confidence .
The other team didn't expect a bomb on the first play, were probably playing for a run or short pass. I find no reason to continue trying to discuss football with you.
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^^^ part of the problem with JC getting regularly battered on 3 step drops is b/c JC doesnt read blitzes or defenses very well. A 5th year qb should be able to detect a LB lined up outside the RE foaming at the mouth with his ears pinned back. does JC call an audible? no. does JC move a TE over to help levi jones? no.

what happens? JC drops back like he doesnt know the blitzer is coming and gets creamed.

the problem with our protecttion was lack of talent, play calling and JC not reading a blitz or making any formation adjustments pre-snap.

a HC in zorn who was over his head, a qb who doesnt succeed in the mental aspects of playing qb and injuries to an already paper thin OL = 4-12 with one of the worst offenses in the league.

theres plenty of blame to go around imo.
word is JC hasn't been allowed to call audibles.. maybe not even protection schemes

he could be a bit more aware though no doubt
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This was one bad year for Campbell on the OL. Infact all the other years he had a pretty good OL IDK why your saying he doesn't have confidence?. How could Big Ben and Aaron Rogers get more sacked up than Campbell and say they have no confidence?.

And the OL was bad but please tell me that Campbell didn't make it worst when he couldn't even read a old lady with a cain on a blitz postion coming?.

EDIT: And if he lost confidence it shows what kind of an leader he is. When all the other QB's get sacked or some one like Mcnabb you never hear him or other say " O we'll it was the team and this and that"- Jason Campbell speech.


Mcnabb and others admit they played bad and end up beastin the next week . Campbell doesn't have confidence in him self he's just a back up at best.
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The other team didn't expect a bomb on the first play, were probably playing for a run or short pass. I find no reason to continue trying to discuss football with you.
I can't believe you just said that. I know Campbell lovers make excuses but your saying they didn't expect a long play????. Maybe Moss went down field because it was a route in part of a play. Collins went deep because he saw him down field and knew he had "TIME" to do so , he threw it out nice and quickly.


So how come Campbell couldn't go deep on his first plays?. with a 77% COMP rating you would think every team would expect us to do a 10 yarder but if Campbell went deep they surley wouldnt expect it. I mean........wow I'm shocked.
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word is JC hasn't been allowed to call audibles.. maybe not even protection schemes

he could be a bit more aware though no doubt
He doesn't audible because the coaches feel he can't handle it. He did it nicely in 07 with the Dallas game but I mean that tells you alot in why a coach won't let you do any of that. Portis did say Campbell seemed comfused in the huddle some times and that he isn't a leader.
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tryfuhl - ive not heard an absolute answer as to whether JC was allowed to call audibles or protection schemes. i thought last year zorn took the protection calls away from rabach and gave them to JC.

im not making a collins is better argument (hes not) but this past season, collins comes in for JC (i think when he injured his ankle). collins lines up, makes a gesture, the TE moves from the right side to the left side, then we false started.

but it clearly showed that qbs in zorns scheme could call protection adjustments, it also showed me something i havent seen all year from a skins qb, our qb making an adjustment based on what he sees when he lines up behind center.

the very next play after the false start? a long ball completed to moss, thrown on time and accurate. collins got popped right after he threw.

uggghhh i feel dirty for even digging up the past JC debates.
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I can't believe you just said that. I know Campbell lovers make excuses but your saying they didn't expect a long play????. Maybe Moss went down field because it was a route in part of a play. Collins went deep because he saw him down field and knew he had "TIME" to do so , he threw it out nice and quickly.


So how come Campbell couldn't go deep on his first plays?. with a 77% COMP rating you would think every team would expect us to do a 10 yarder but if Campbell went deep they surley wouldnt expect it. I mean........wow I'm shocked.
You're an idiot, the sooner you get back to ES the better.

This will be the last time that I address you:

1) The pass play was designed to go to Moss, not be a read and pick your best option.. the defense doesn't know before the play that Moss was running a long route, do they? Are you that dumb?

If Campbell went deep on his first play on a designed route every time they'd have plenty of film on it and it would be predictable. Something tells me that you're not even "Madden-level"

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