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Old 02-17-2010, 01:56 AM   #31
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Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

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He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?

Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.
I think you are exaggerating on Campbell's abilities, especially when you see analysts say thing like this...

NFL: The Carolina Panthers have depth problems at wide receiver - ESPN

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With Shanahan on board, Campbell finally would be fortunate enough to have some offensive stability in terms of the system, expectations and play-calling on a year-to-year basis. For once he wouldn't have to pick up a new language every offseason. Physically, Campbell has what it takes. He can move well enough to execute Shanahan's scheme, has a big strong arm to drive the ball down the field and is accurate enough. The tools are there, and he just had his best year as a starter. I contend that he could use a real confidence boost and some of the responsibility off his plate; he was simply asked to do way too much last year as nearly every aspect of the Redskins' offense crumbled around him. He was also sacked 43 times and was constantly under siege. But the beauty of sticking with Campbell is that the Redskins could then use the resources on building a quick zone-blocking offensive line and finding a ball carrier they can trust. Shanahan does have an impressive history of getting first-round production from mid-round running backs. I can live with the receiving corps that is in place and the defense.
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:33 AM   #32
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This is great news.. Redskins FO (Shanahan and Allen) are definitely doing right things so far; granted it's only based on rumors.. But still...
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:59 AM   #33
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Smart move to tender him at the highest level...when it happens. They won't get a 1st and a 3rd for him but good starting point for trade negotiations
Totally agree.
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:32 AM   #34
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Can i ask a question about this? When they say they are "tendering" him, does that mean they will not let him go without getting a 1st and a 3rd?

Or is it them calling somebody's bluff because they realize that Jason will not get those picks....somebody help me out. I'm honestly confused.
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If they tender him at the 1st and 3rd level, that's just the starting off point for negotiations. It doesn't mean that he can only be dealt for a 1st and 3rd.
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Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.
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Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

Wow, my head just exploded trying to read that. I think you need a visit from the Keyboard Police, you obviously don't have the proper training to posses one.
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202 step up your game son
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:11 AM   #39
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Although Campbell isnt the only reason we are 4-12. He's a good chunk of it. When you are the QB, you are the face of the organization. If you win, you get the praise. If you lose, you get the blame. Its the nature of the beast. Peyton Manning did pretty damn well with a shitty offensive line comprised of mid rounders and undrafted free agents. Not to mention a running game that was ranked 32 in the league, or as i like to call DEAD LAST. But he doesnt get sacked cuz he knows how to read a defense and knows where to go with the ball. i am in NO WAY comparing manning and campbell. But a FRANCHISE QB would have gotten more than 4 wins. We had 8 losses of less than ONE possession (against Giants, Lions, Panthers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Eagles, Saints, Chargers). Campbell cant drive down the field at the end of a game against a prevent defense to give his team a chance to win. Say we came back in even half of those games then we're 8-8 and the season doesnt look damn near as dismal. If we won them all (unlikely obviously, we'd be 12-4) lol ridiculous right? And we had a head coach that was so busy being a QB's coach, that our whole team downspiraled and campbell STILL didnt raise his game. Statistically yes but those are deceiving. Not saying campbell was our only problem cuz thats far from the case but a franchise QB can read a defense, make audibles at the line and lead his team to victory. 3 things jason campbell cant not do
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But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.
it becomes difficult to read this drivel after a while.

Back to the topic at hand, we all know there isnt a team out there that is going to give us a 1st and 3rd for Campbell. What is a more likely offer that we would accept? Should accept?
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it becomes difficult to read this drivel after a while.

Back to the topic at hand, we all know there isnt a team out there that is going to give us a 1st and 3rd for Campbell. What is a more likely offer that we would accept? Should accept?
A conditional 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd if Jason meets certain criteria during the season.....we could still get a decent runningback or OL with a 3rd round pick.
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I think teams will try to offer a 3rd, but we should push for either a mid 2nd, or a 3rd and 6th. JC is a proven mid-grade starter and we shouldn't shortchange ourselves, but we also know we want to go a different direction so lets get something for him.
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A conditional 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd if Jason meets certain criteria during the season.....we could still get a decent runningback or OL with a 3rd round pick.
Anything less than a 2cd round pick in my eyes would be more detrimental to the team than actually keeping JC for another season. It is very difficult to say at the moment not knowing who is on the bench at QB2, QB3. We would have to find a decent backup to take less than a 2cd, and isn't that what we already have in JC.
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1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?
Here we go again with the candle crap...do you realize NO ONE is going to take anything you say seriously with that immaturity? (not that your points are valid and unbiased anyways)


I do believe we should draft a Tackle with that #4 pick. Even if we get Bradford or Claussen, they won't be able to develop without a solid line. Think David Carr.

We won't get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell from anyone, so even speculating about a trade like this is pointless. Our best bet for success is to build up the line and let Campbell run Shanny's offense, which is tailor-made for his skillset. Shanahan's offense is run-heavy but the QB's role is made easy for a mobile QB to succeed. He likes to use half of the field and roll out the QB a lot. When tjhe QB rolls out, he'll have 3 routes being run at different depths right in front of him...so the progressions are as easy as counting 1-2-3 as the QB looks at all open options right in front of him. If no one is immediately open, the QB can take off, something that Campbell does better than most QBs in the league. He just needs to learn how to slide!

I think JC will be highly successful in this offense IF we have an offensive line and running game, which could come with the rebuilding of the line. With out first two picks at least, we need a Tackle and a Center/Guard. Rabach is backup material and cost us far too many points and possessions. After that, draft a RB and LB. If LeFevour is around in rounds 4-6, get him to groom as the #2 QB and to compete with Colt Brennan, who may not even make the team if we get someone like LeFevour. Late picks, get more depth at OL, LB and maybe even a CB with last-round potential. No more "best available" picks...we have specific and vital needs this year that Vinny and his crew ignored for years.

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I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.
Try watching them, please.
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If they tender him at the 1st and 3rd level, that's just the starting off point for negotiations. It doesn't mean that he can only be dealt for a 1st and 3rd.
Do you think they would take a 2nd for him? I think they might if they get one. It's possible. I'm not sure a team would give up a second though.

I do think MS's plan is to keep JC and draft a QB to sit for a year.

Purely for speculation, If you do get a 2nd for JC, you'd have a 1st and 2 2nds. Trading down we could potentially have a later 1st and 3 2nds or 2 2nds and a 3rd.

4 potential draft picks in the 1st two rounds would be a good thing. That could fill some holes. We'd be sacrificing by not having an experienced QB in 2010. There are some qb's on the market though that could fill that role. Hey, i know, I'm bored.
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