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Old 02-17-2010, 11:11 AM   #61
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Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

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AND CAN THREE OF YOU GUYS SHUT UP ABOUT THE CANDLE THING. I'll stop saying it .............dont have to be a geek about the whole situation and write it up on one post not 3.
And you didn't have to put it in every post. Your last quip I'm not even sure what you mean.

Asking once again, when is your ES ban up?

If you couldn't tell by now we (typically) have more mature conversations and enjoy the fact that not every thread is cluttered with the reactionary baseless drivel that you've been so kind as to bestow upon us.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:12 AM   #62
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Nightmare Draft:

1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. No one wants to trade up. Of course selecting Jimmy Clausen would be a good pick.
Waiting for Berry crew.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:13 AM   #63
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Out of respect for some of my Cowboy friends, I stop doing it. It's disrespectful.
And you sir call yourself a Redskins Fan. Blasphemy!
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:15 AM   #64
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Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

here is the breakdown for rest FA tenders:

Four years of experience

•Original pick compensation: $1.176 million
•Second round tender: $1.759 million
•First round tender: $2.521 million
•First and third tender: $3.168 million
Five years of NFL experience

•Original pick compensation: $1.226 million
•Second round tender: $1.809 million
•First round tender: $2.621 million
•First and third round tender: $3.268 million

3.2 mil to tender JC is not bad at all.

i think or would like to think that if JC is tendered then traded, it woud be comparable to matt schaub. the falcons tendered him for a 1st and 3rd then traded him to the texans for a 2nd (and 6th?) round picks.

if we can get a 2nd for JC, it seems pretty clear to me we should take it. probably even a 3rd and 5th rounder as well.

i would not trade JC for a 4th rounder, he has more value being our QB next year (no matter what happens in the draft) then a 4th roundr imo.

and the talk on the first page about JC wanting a trade if we draft a qb no. 4. he said this past month that he is a starter in this league and doesnt want to and shouldnt have to compete. if we actually draft a qb no. 4, i think JC will let it be known he is not happy but in a polite and professional way, which i would have no prob with and would understand.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:19 AM   #65
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Do you think they would take a 2nd for him? I think they might if they get one. It's possible. I'm not sure a team would give up a second though.

I do think MS's plan is to keep JC and draft a QB to sit for a year.

Purely for speculation, If you do get a 2nd for JC, you'd have a 1st and 2 2nds. Trading down we could potentially have a later 1st and 3 2nds or 2 2nds and a 3rd.

4 potential draft picks in the 1st two rounds would be a good thing. That could fill some holes. We'd be sacrificing by not having an experienced QB in 2010. There are some qb's on the market though that could fill that role. Hey, i know, I'm bored.
A 2nd and a conditional lower rounder and I think the Skins are interested. But only if we also have a veteran lined up to be the short term starter. I don't see MS tossing a rookie to the wolves in year 1.
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A 2nd and a conditional lower rounder and I think the Skins are interested. But only if we also have a veteran lined up to be the short term starter. I don't see MS tossing a rookie to the wolves in year 1.
At least the first 8 games. Last half of the season is a different story.
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AND CAN THREE OF YOU GUYS SHUT UP ABOUT THE CANDLE THING. I'll stop saying it .............dont have to be a geek about the whole situation and write it up on one post not 3.
Hey genius, you're the only one annoying the whole internet with the "CANDLE THING".

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Nightmare Draft:

1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. No one wants to trade up. Of course selecting Jimmy Clausen would be a good pick.

This scary scenario is very possible though. It's no secret the Rams' top priority is QB. They likely will take Bradford in my opinion. The Lions have the franchise QB and WR, there are no RBs who merit a #2 pick, so Okung could be a smart pick for them. Suh won't last to #4, so the Bucs would jump on him if he's there. Then what for us? Berry would be great but we should not waste a 1st round pick on a DB. McCoy, great but again, no DT is necessary. Not sold on Claussen, plus we need an O-lineman. I'd say we need to go with Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers. He impresses me more than Trent Williams from OK.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:33 AM   #68
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Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

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here is the breakdown for rest FA tenders:

Four years of experience

•Original pick compensation: $1.176 million
•Second round tender: $1.759 million
•First round tender: $2.521 million
•First and third tender: $3.168 million
Five years of NFL experience

•Original pick compensation: $1.226 million
•Second round tender: $1.809 million
•First round tender: $2.621 million
•First and third round tender: $3.268 million

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sorry to quote myself but couldnt we tender JC at the "original pick compensation" of 1.2 mil. then if another team signs him we would get a 1st rounder in return since JC was a 1st round pick?

instead of the 1st and 3rd.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:58 AM   #69
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Nightmare Draft:

1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. No one wants to trade up. Of course selecting Jimmy Clausen would be a good pick.
If Swartz can resist Suh and Gerald McCoy this could very well happen. Stafford could use the protection.
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sorry to quote myself but couldnt we tender JC at the "original pick compensation" of 1.2 mil. then if another team signs him we would get a 1st rounder in return since JC was a 1st round pick?

instead of the 1st and 3rd.
Well along with those tenders come things like the rights of first refusal, etc

the one that we'd put Campbell under would be:

"The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection and Third Round Draft Selection (both from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.792 million OR at least 110% of the player's prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater."

Granted you can get the right of first refusal otherwise, but with Campbell being the top FA QB you'll tender him highest and then work on negotiations otherwise. I think that his current salary has part to do with it as well.

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Thats an ESPN writer writing that lol. Listen to the other NFL analysts who commented Campbell all game long. Did you hear Chris Collinsworth all game about Campbell on the Cowboys game? he thought Campbell wasn't a starter in his own words.


Its ok tho as long as we draft a QB for the future .
Matt Williamson actually works for Scouts Inc, breaks down tape and does analysis for ESPN. Not to say anything against Collinsworth, but I'll pay more attention to what the guys of Scouts Inc have to say about these issues. And my whole point was to counter your label of Campbell being a terrible QB.
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Nightmare Draft:

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3. Bucs - Suh
4. No one wants to trade up. Of course selecting Jimmy Clausen would be a good pick.
You meant perfect draft
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I think you are exaggerating on Campbell's abilities, especially when you see analysts say thing like this...

NFL: The Carolina Panthers have depth problems at wide receiver - ESPN
This is from your link talking about JC

"has a big strong arm to drive the ball down the field and is accurate enough."

Where the he!! do these guys get that he is accurate with the long ball? When he should lead the man inside he throws it outside and when he should lead the man outside he throws it out of bounds. When he does have someone wide open he gets excited and over throws the guy when all he needed to do was throw it with enough arch for the WR to make the play. I know he has the arm but he has never shown me the accuracy that some talk about.
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I think that "is accurate enough" was meant to mean across all throws, not just the long ones
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Here we go again with the candle crap...do you realize NO ONE is going to take anything you say seriously with that immaturity? (not that your points are valid and unbiased anyways)


I do believe we should draft a Tackle with that #4 pick. Even if we get Bradford or Claussen, they won't be able to develop without a solid line. Think David Carr.

We won't get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell from anyone, so even speculating about a trade like this is pointless. Our best bet for success is to build up the line and let Campbell run Shanny's offense, which is tailor-made for his skillset. Shanahan's offense is run-heavy but the QB's role is made easy for a mobile QB to succeed. He likes to use half of the field and roll out the QB a lot. When tjhe QB rolls out, he'll have 3 routes being run at different depths right in front of him...so the progressions are as easy as counting 1-2-3 as the QB looks at all open options right in front of him. If no one is immediately open, the QB can take off, something that Campbell does better than most QBs in the league. He just needs to learn how to slide!

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I think JC will be highly successful in this offense IF we have an offensive line and running game, which could come with the rebuilding of the line. With out first two picks at least, we need a Tackle and a Center/Guard. Rabach is backup material and cost us far too many points and possessions. After that, draft a RB and LB. If LeFevour is around in rounds 4-6, get him to groom as the #2 QB and to compete with Colt Brennan,
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who may not even make the team if we get someone like LeFevour.
Late picks, get more depth at OL, LB and maybe even a CB with last-round potential. No more "best available" picks...we have specific and vital needs this year that Vinny and his crew ignored for years.
There's more success drafting a first round QB than a 2nd or 3rd round QB. Bradford and Clausen have 2 times more upside than the other guys back there. And drafting an OT this year with our first isn't the right move at all. Why would we give every thing to a QB who's gonna be here for one year?.I find it unfair to how Drew Brees with to NO but didn't have alot of weapons intill he threw to Colston and found out he's pretty good. Same with Mcnabb he has no true#1 WR and still uses his weapons around him .

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Try watching them, please.


On this video Jason Campbell has time but what he didn't do what he was suppose to step up into the pocket and by more time to throw or do something. Troy Aikman said that he should of done this and that and he's right.

I mean its just a video but look at the Bucs game with his INT's. He rebounded but this was the Bucs ..........
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