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Old 02-18-2010, 08:21 AM   #16
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Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line

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Nice thread idea!

LT: I draft the very best prospect w/ our 1st pick...probably Okung

RT: I draft the very best prospect w/ our 2nd pick.

LG: Dockery stays

RG: I let Rinehart and the Williams fight it out to see who adjusts best the zone blocking scheme. The other two are kept for backups.

C: I do everything I can to replace Rabach in FA and the earlier the better. Rabach seems to get more mistake prone every year and w/o excellent guards sandwiching him, i.e. Dock and Thomas in their prime, Rabach almost guarantees a very porous interior. He sucks donkey balls in reality and I highly doubt he'd start anywhere else in the league. Shanny/Allen can find a better Center.

The hope w/ this strategy is to find bookend tackles for the next decade and enough talent in between to give our offense a chance to win immediately.

This is exactly my thoughts.
1st two picks in the draft get olineman. preferably two starting tackles. I think we are good at the guard position for the next year.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:39 AM   #17
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Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line

First, wait for the combine and check out the Olinemen who do well in the three-cone drill, then draft a few of them.
Sign Kevin Mawae.
Sign some old Denver Olinemen.
Cut Heyer, Rhinehart, and Will Montgomery. Let Rabach go.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:05 AM   #18
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Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line

It's so difficult at this time to predict or project because of the uncertainty surrounding FA's; Who will be available and at what cost. I do like the thread concept because without a doubt the O-line should be priority number one, but FA offers little help in this area because there's so little to chose from.

However, I am interested in seeing what leftover linemen we have that the new coaching staff will deem worthy of keeping, if any. So many uncertainties and possibilities is what continues to make this one of the most interesting off-seasons in a very long time.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:44 AM   #19
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LT: resign Levi Jones / draft Charles Brown in 2nd
LG: Dockery
C: Rabach, but use our 4th rounder on a C to groom
RG: Williams / Rinehart / Ben Hamilton
RT: sign Kaczur from NE

Notice that we can do this and still draft a QB at #4.

In the unlikely event that a trade-down happens, the choices become more numerous.
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LT: resign Levi Jones / draft Charles Brown in 2nd
LG: Dockery
C: Rabach, but use our 4th rounder on a C to groom
RG: Williams / Rinehart / Ben Hamilton
RT: sign Kaczur from NE

Notice that we can do this and still draft a QB at #4.

In the unlikely event that a trade-down happens, the choices become more numerous.
As long as the FO puts an emphasis on the OL, then we ought to be able to bring a lot of pieces here, from the draft, through FA like Kaczur, and put together an OL that allows our offense to compete. I would love to see the first 2 picks go OL, but I can live with it as long as they demonstrate that emphasis.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:56 AM   #21
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LT: resign Levi Jones / draft Charles Brown in 2nd
LG: Dockery
C: Rabach, but use our 4th rounder on a C to groom
RG: Williams / Rinehart / Ben Hamilton
RT: sign Kaczur from NE

Notice that we can do this and still draft a QB at #4.

In the unlikely event that a trade-down happens, the choices become more numerous.
I like this...actually the top 3 centers right now in the draft could probably beat out Rabach. Hamilton is a nice stop/gap and probably would be Shanny preference for starting over Busthart and Williams. Kaczur would be a nice addition probably for not too much cash too.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:00 PM   #22
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Is anyone intrigued by Mawae if even for one year? IMO he is the definition of a professional offensive lineman. Since $ is not a factor, I don't see a downside to having him in the locker room even if it is for a short time.

I am definitely nostalgic, but I hope that they give Randy Thomas another year here (of course they need to tear up the old contract).
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:02 PM   #23
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Ruhskins:

Good thread. Thank you.

The Redskins' OL will not be reconstructed in a single off-season unless there is another miraculous draft event like the one that brought in Mark May, Russ Grimm and Joe Jacoby in a single year. (I think that was 1981 but it could have been 1982.) It could happen again; it just isn't likely...

The key for this offseason seems to me to acquire at least one - - and prefereably two - - young offensive lineman who will be the anchors of the reconstructed OL in the future. I really don't care what position(s) the new anchor(s) take up on the OL, but having two young studs there would be a real positive sign for the 2011 and 2012 seasons.

Waiting to see how "the young guys on the roster" develop is frought with danger. Waiting to see how they might play is what put the Skins in the position of having to sign Levi Jones at the last minute - - actually in mid-season - - last year. Other eleventh-hour tinkering with the OL produced other players who just couldn't play all that well.

If the Skins do not have new bodies on the roster before training camp starts, they will be looking for culls later on down the line. And what is on the roster now is "too many culls"...
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:04 PM   #24
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Not sure anyone has mentioned him, but Kory Liechtensteiger has a strong chance to make the team and potentially start at C or G
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:06 PM   #25
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Pack mentality? Nah. Maybe it's be the fact that he gets used like a rag doll against better competition, specifically 3-4 nose guards? Or the fact that he can't call out protections to save his life? Yeah, that's why I think he's a bum. Nothing to do with the internet.
You know there was a guy on this team that was supposed to do that but said that he didn't want to. You know the guy that could see a guy walk up showing blitz. Or could see how the defense is shifting and what type of defense they are showing pre-snap because he's standing or crouching behind the "bum". I'm just saying. However, we must find someone to call the protections since that guy refuses to take that kind of responsibility so I guess he is a bum because he can't do another guys job. I just love reading how blunt many are when it comes to the 52 other guys on this team.

Bruce Allen I beg you, if you care about the sanity of the Skins fans on this board draft Russel Okung at 4; then whoever the best availiable O-Lineman is when the Skins pick again.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:08 PM   #26
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With that being said, here is your challenge. You are the GM (or Shanahan), how do you build the Redskins offensive line? Who do you keep? Who do you cut? Who would you draft? And which free agent would you go after?
I've tried to envision a scenario where we upgrade the OL independent of the 4th pick and while i can come up with improvements its only because of how bad the OL was last year.

LT-Stephon Heyer-it would require hope that a healthy Heyer can show the promise he showed at the end of 2008 when he took over the LT spot from an injured Samuels, Heyer played the majority of the season with a knee injury that often prevented him from practicing: Ratng... Serviceable to good,

LG-Dockery-Good

C-Edwin Williams-- I think its time to find out if Edwin Williams is ready to step up, as a rookie UDFA pressed into playing out of position at RG he played well. Maybe moving him to his natural position of Center will make the middle of the OL more stout then its been with Rabach. Rabach is a decent center but he's a FA and he's not strong at the point (and Ratliff owns him twice err!!) On the flip side he could provide veteran leadership on an OL in tranisition-but on the flip side of that why wait to build the OL into a young cohesive unit ready to grow and improve togother starting with the Center?-Rating: Serviceable to good

RG-Rinehart i thought he played well after he was finally placed into the starting line-up after needless handwringing and concern. One thing i never understood was why they let Rinehart get all the reps while Randy Thomas was recovering from his injuries then broke the cohesion by putting Thomas in as the starter when he returned from his injury. But when Thomas was injured again the acted like Rinehart wasn't ready to play and tried playing Montgomery and Williams instead? And imo Rinehart played better then both those guys.

RT-2nd round pick hopefully Bruce Campbell but that's unlikely maybe... Duccase or Charles Brown lasts they could play RT until/if they show they're ready to play LT or they could stat at LT until they show they can't handle it, i would prefer they start at RT then move over, but if there is a run on OT which is likely Ducasse and Brown might not even being around when we pick in the 2nd and don't like hope as a strategy for landing OL via the draft

FA:
Tony Pashos via FA he's cheap and familiar with new OL coach Forester
Pashos could challenge for the RT against a rookie and provide some depth

I think this OL or a similiar OL would be an improvement because they would be young players building cohesion and could grow together and improve with playing experience

But, imo it would be easier and yield greater improvement if we began fixing the OL by solidifying either OT with the 4th pick:

LT-Okung / Davis-Good
LG-Dockery-Good
C-Ed Williams-Seriveable to Good
RG-Rinehart-Serviceable to Good
RT-Heyer-Serviceable to Good

Cut/Released/Retired:

Chris Samuels
Randy Thomas
Casey Rabach
Mike Williams
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Is anyone intrigued by Mawae if even for one year? IMO he is the definition of a professional offensive lineman. Since $ is not a factor, I don't see a downside to having him in the locker room even if it is for a short time.

I am definitely nostalgic, but I hope that they give Randy Thomas another year here (of course they need to tear up the old contract).
I am interested. He would only be a stopgap but he would be a good one.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:08 PM   #28
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draft a tackle with the 2nd round pick (SS's players sounded good)

draft a OT/G in the 4th round

sign OT tony pashos - we've been linked to him, our new o line coach is from SF. i dont believe he is guaranteed a starting job in SF but he wants one. i dont know much about this guy, player/skill wise thoo.

sign one of the broncos O lineman - with the broncos switching to power running football they might be parting with their zone blocking guys. hopefully shanny can pluck atleast 1 guy he likes from there,that player would be familiar with our new system, etc.

sign rabach to a 2 year deal if we cant find a better replacement in FA.

randy thomas is coming back imo, and the man is a beast. i do worry that he has slowed down a good bit the past few years and wont be the ideal fit for a speed zone blocking scheme but i like randy alot and will give him another year to prove he is still a top guard.

samuels has not retired yet, we will hear soon enough when he gets re-evaluated this month

resign mike williams to vet min.; if not resign levi jones to 1 year incentive based contract.

LT - samuels, pashos, our 2nd round OT
LG - dockery, broncos guard, 4th round G pick
C - rabach, edwin williams, ?
RG - thomas, rineheart, 4th round G pick
RT - pashos, 2nd round OT, heyer

if samuels does retire, i think we have to re-sign levi.

i think this scenario is very achievable. of course, this only works if tony pashos is an upgrade over heyer, m williams and levi jones.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:17 PM   #29
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Isn't Mawae pretty old ?
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This might help:

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