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Old 03-10-2010, 11:07 AM   #286
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Just saw Rick Maese tweet that the Redskins have offered Levi Jones a 1-year deal. Does anyone know anything about this? I wonder if he'd play RT? Any thoughts on this as a possible line:

LT: Okung
LG: Dock
C: Rabach
RG: Hicks
RT: Jones

Wow seeing it like this makes me pretty scarred. Even if we get a tackle with our first pick, this oline is gonna take a while to fix. I honestly believe we have to go o line with our first and second round picks, and still hope something else works out for us too.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:28 AM   #287
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Certainly, it's hyperbole in one spot on the other. If Bradford really is as good as his strongest supporters advertised, he'd have some value right off the bat.
You know that most likely thats not the case with a rookie QB. Plus if we got Bradford he wouldn't even start as JC would likely be the teams starter.
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:56 PM   #288
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Just saw Rick Maese tweet that the Redskins have offered Levi Jones a 1-year deal. Does anyone know anything about this? I wonder if he'd play RT? Any thoughts on this as a possible line:

LT: Okung
LG: Dock
C: Rabach
RG: Hicks
RT: Jones
I like it, but not as much as i'd like

LT: Okung
LG: Dock
c: Rabach
RG: Rinehart
RT Hicks

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Wow seeing it like this makes me pretty scarred. Even if we get a tackle with our first pick, this oline is gonna take a while to fix. I honestly believe we have to go o line with our first and second round picks, and still hope something else works out for us too.
i actually agree with you. good call.

so... i have to ask - do you still want danny to sell the team or have you just forgotten to update your sig?
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:40 PM   #289
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Wow seeing it like this makes me pretty scarred. Even if we get a tackle with our first pick, this oline is gonna take a while to fix. I honestly believe we have to go o line with our first and second round picks, and still hope something else works out for us too.
Hmmm, francise QB or franchise LT? Joe Thomas or Phillip Rivers? Stop being so short sighted people. This is going to be a two year process. I agree that one of the first two picks should be O-Line but lets not pretend that all of our problems will be fixed by picking two O-Lineman with our first two picks. All that did for the Jags was get them to 8-8.

You don't pass up a franchise QB and it's clear to most scouts right now that Bradford is that type of guy. Just pray that he falls to us, in which case you'll thank the front office in a few years.
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Old 03-10-2010, 02:43 PM   #290
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Hmmm, francise QB or franchise LT? Joe Thomas or Phillip Rivers? Stop being so short sighted people. This is going to be a two year process. I agree that one of the first two picks should be O-Line but lets not pretend that all of our problems will be fixed by picking two O-Lineman with our first two picks. All that did for the Jags was get them to 8-8.

You don't pass up a franchise QB and it's clear to most scouts right now that Bradford is that type of guy. Just pray that he falls to us, in which case you'll thank the front office in a few years.
You make it sound like it is the end of the world if we don't get Bradford. Jacksonville may have been 8-8, but they were still in the playoff hunt before they fell apart. Besides, there are issues in Jax outside of football that are hunting that franchise. Furthermore, I can show you a Miami or a NYJets as teams that addressed their line first, and then went QB (Jets) or addressed the line and were able to develop their 2nd round QB (Henne).

Tackles can be just as important as QBs. Given that we have a serviceable QB that could play for a year or two, it's really hard to pass up on a franchise tackle when we had the JaMarcus Russell equivalent of an offensive line.

I know Bradford appears to have a lot of talent, but in the end he got injured during his senior year and did not play the majority of his final season in college. I'm sure for the sane mind this is not much of an issue and players do come back from these injuries and can be successful. But you are asking a team to gamble on this player with those two things in mind (injury and not playing), and pass up on the bast tackle that can be a huge improvement to the unit that just lost its best player (Samuels), and has been a big contributor to the losing ways of this team.

If Jason Campbell had put up JaMarcus Russell numbers over the past two years, a.) he probably would have been cut and b.) I'd be riding the Bradford bandwagon. Outside of that, I can't see how not taking Bradford and picking up Okung would be the end of the world.
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I don't think it's clear at all whether Bradford is a true franchise QB or not. I think once he has his pro day we'll clear some things up.
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clausen > bradford
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:49 PM   #293
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Hmmm, francise QB or franchise LT? Joe Thomas or Phillip Rivers? Stop being so short sighted people. This is going to be a two year process. I agree that one of the first two picks should be O-Line but lets not pretend that all of our problems will be fixed by picking two O-Lineman with our first two picks. All that did for the Jags was get them to 8-8.

You don't pass up a franchise QB and it's clear to most scouts right now that Bradford is that type of guy. Just pray that he falls to us, in which case you'll thank the front office in a few years.
when's the last time there was a "clear" franchise QB in the draft? Every year, the pundits claim a QB is going to be a franchise guy and its true about half the time. If even that. you've got just as big of a chance of getting a Matt Ryan as you do an Alex Smith or a Jamarcus Russell. This is considered an especially weak QB class and you want to take a 50/50 chance on a QB? Thats far too risky for me.
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Okung > Bradford/Clausen
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Apparently the team that drafts Bradford will win the next 12 SB's and the other 31 teams won't stand a chance.
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I don't think it's clear at all whether Bradford is a true franchise QB or not. I think once he has his pro day we'll clear some things up.
Agree, still a big IF though he will be throwing in ideal conditions. Please go OL, OL.
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when's the last time there was a "clear" franchise QB in the draft? Every year, the pundits claim a QB is going to be a franchise guy and its true about half the time. If even that. you've got just as big of a chance of getting a Matt Ryan as you do an Alex Smith or a Jamarcus Russell. This is considered an especially weak QB class and you want to take a 50/50 chance on a QB? Thats far too risky for me.

i wouldn't take the chance either.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:44 AM   #298
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Agree, still a big IF though he will be throwing in ideal conditions. Please go OL, OL.
I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.
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when's the last time there was a "clear" franchise QB in the draft? Every year, the pundits claim a QB is going to be a franchise guy and its true about half the time. If even that. you've got just as big of a chance of getting a Matt Ryan as you do an Alex Smith or a Jamarcus Russell. This is considered an especially weak QB class and you want to take a 50/50 chance on a QB? Thats far too risky for me.

I agree! I rather get Okung at 4 and take a chance on McCoy or who ever in the second round. I almost bet Clausen will be there i nthe 2nd if we don't take him #4.
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I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.
Samuels was a great LT, but he was hardly the best for that whole 10 years. further, we had fewer draft picks and more overall turnover on our roster and coaching staff over those ten years than most other teams have. Football is a TEAM sport. As such, with rare exceptions (peyton manning), one player isnt going to make that big of a difference. Having one great player - at any position, QB, LT, or whatever, doesnt mean jack.

IF there was a sure-fire, cant miss, peyton manning 2.0-type QB in this years draft, then by all means, we should draft him. However, there simply arent any QBs like that in this draft class. Similarly, Okung looks great, but he's hardly the best OT to enter the draft in 10 years or anything like that. Given that we have a team full of holes, the best thing we can do (other than trade down) is pick the best possible player who's there at 4. One thing is for certain, if the Rams take Bradford, Okung, McCoy, or Suh will be on the board at 4. Those are the best 3 players in the draft - by far. Fortunately for us, any one of those guys would fill a need on the team. We really can't go wrong if we pick one of those 3. In the long-term, thats what will help the team the most - picking the best player available.
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