Time to Build an Offensive Line

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-10-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Hmmm, francise QB or franchise LT? Joe Thomas or Phillip Rivers? Stop being so short sighted people. This is going to be a two year process. I agree that one of the first two picks should be O-Line but lets not pretend that all of our problems will be fixed by picking two O-Lineman with our first two picks. All that did for the Jags was get them to 8-8.

You don't pass up a franchise QB and it's clear to most scouts right now that Bradford is that type of guy. Just pray that he falls to us, in which case you'll thank the front office in a few years.

when's the last time there was a "clear" franchise QB in the draft? Every year, the pundits claim a QB is going to be a franchise guy and its true about half the time. If even that. you've got just as big of a chance of getting a Matt Ryan as you do an Alex Smith or a Jamarcus Russell. This is considered an especially weak QB class and you want to take a 50/50 chance on a QB? Thats far too risky for me.

Monkeydad · 03-10-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Okung > Bradford/Clausen

This.

53Fan · 03-10-2010, 03:52 PM

Apparently the team that drafts Bradford will win the next 12 SB's and the other 31 teams won't stand a chance.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-10-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it's clear at all whether Bradford is a true franchise QB or not. I think once he has his pro day we'll clear some things up.

Agree, still a big IF though he will be throwing in ideal conditions. Please go OL, OL.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-10-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

when's the last time there was a "clear" franchise QB in the draft? Every year, the pundits claim a QB is going to be a franchise guy and its true about half the time. If even that. you've got just as big of a chance of getting a Matt Ryan as you do an Alex Smith or a Jamarcus Russell. This is considered an especially weak QB class and you want to take a 50/50 chance on a QB? Thats far too risky for me.

i wouldn't take the chance either.

T.O.Killa · 03-11-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Agree, still a big IF though he will be throwing in ideal conditions. Please go OL, OL.

I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.

mredskins · 03-11-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

when's the last time there was a "clear" franchise QB in the draft? Every year, the pundits claim a QB is going to be a franchise guy and its true about half the time. If even that. you've got just as big of a chance of getting a Matt Ryan as you do an Alex Smith or a Jamarcus Russell. This is considered an especially weak QB class and you want to take a 50/50 chance on a QB? Thats far too risky for me.

I agree! I rather get Okung at 4 and take a chance on McCoy or who ever in the second round. I almost bet Clausen will be there i nthe 2nd if we don't take him #4.

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-11-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.

Samuels was a great LT, but he was hardly the best for that whole 10 years. further, we had fewer draft picks and more overall turnover on our roster and coaching staff over those ten years than most other teams have. Football is a TEAM sport. As such, with rare exceptions (peyton manning), one player isnt going to make that big of a difference. Having one great player - at any position, QB, LT, or whatever, doesnt mean jack.

IF there was a sure-fire, cant miss, peyton manning 2.0-type QB in this years draft, then by all means, we should draft him. However, there simply arent any QBs like that in this draft class. Similarly, Okung looks great, but he's hardly the best OT to enter the draft in 10 years or anything like that. Given that we have a team full of holes, the best thing we can do (other than trade down) is pick the best possible player who's there at 4. One thing is for certain, if the Rams take Bradford, Okung, McCoy, or Suh will be on the board at 4. Those are the best 3 players in the draft - by far. Fortunately for us, any one of those guys would fill a need on the team. We really can't go wrong if we pick one of those 3. In the long-term, thats what will help the team the most - picking the best player available.

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-11-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

I agree! I rather get Okung at 4 and take a chance on McCoy or who ever in the second round. I almost bet Clausen will be there i nthe 2nd if we don't take him #4.

I think there's a good chance Clausen will be there, but i wouldnt bet on it. McCoy will most definitely be there, and perhaps Tebow as well. Honestly, i'm hoping Brennan or Campbell shows enough to Shanahan in camp to make Shanahan feel he doesnt need to use one of our first two picks on a QB.

diehardskin2982 · 03-11-2010, 11:08 AM

I think at this point the redskins are looking to trade down. After seeing their approach to free agency they will need the additional picks to fill holes on the roster.

12thMan · 03-11-2010, 11:18 AM

I think when comparing Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer, you have to take into consideration that Levi joined us late October of last year and it took time to acclimate to the system. That and he really wasn't in football shape. This time around, with a full training camp under his belt and a little more resolve mind you, I think we're going to see a better all around tackle. That's my hope at least.

In an all around head-to-head, you have to account for that and I'd still give the edge to Levi Jones, by the way.

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-11-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I think at this point the redskins are looking to trade down. After seeing their approach to free agency they will need the additional picks to fill holes on the roster.

I agree. the best thing we can do is feign sincere interest in Bradford, McCoy, Suh, Okung, Berry, Clausen, etc. to increase the likelyhood of finding a trading partner. This is a very deep draft and it would benefit us to accumulate as many picks in rounds 1-3 as possible.

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-11-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think when comparing Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer, you have to take into consideration that Levi joined us late October of last year and it took time to acclimate to the system. That and he really wasn't in football shape. This time around, with a full training camp under his belt and a little more resolve mind you, I think we're going to see a better all around tackle. That's my hope at least.

In an all around head-to-head, you have to account for that and I'd still give the edge to Levi Jones, by the way.

we havent resigned him, have we?

Mattyk · 03-11-2010, 11:33 AM

Levi is still out there - UFA

Thought I heard the Skins offered him a deal but he's looking at his options

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

we havent resigned him, have we?

No, he wants more money, and he is in the same kind of situation as last year when Cinci brought in a rookie LT. I don't think he signs here without a) more money, and b) at the very least the promise he gets to compete for the starting LT job, and I really thinks he wants to be promised the starting job, which I doubt happens. Thus, I doubt he ends up in a Skins uniform. At this point, I am ok with that.

03-10-2010, 03:52 PM	#303
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line Apparently the team that drafts Bradford will win the next 12 SB's and the other 31 teams won't stand a chance. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change"

03-11-2010, 11:08 AM	#310
diehardskin2982 What will Shanny do this offseason? Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,924	Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line I think at this point the redskins are looking to trade down. After seeing their approach to free agency they will need the additional picks to fill holes on the roster. __________________ Let's win games now...PLEASE

03-11-2010, 11:18 AM	#311
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,363	Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line I think when comparing Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer, you have to take into consideration that Levi joined us late October of last year and it took time to acclimate to the system. That and he really wasn't in football shape. This time around, with a full training camp under his belt and a little more resolve mind you, I think we're going to see a better all around tackle. That's my hope at least. In an all around head-to-head, you have to account for that and I'd still give the edge to Levi Jones, by the way.

03-11-2010, 11:33 AM	#314
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: Time to Build an Offensive Line Levi is still out there - UFA Thought I heard the Skins offered him a deal but he's looking at his options __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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