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Old 02-24-2010, 06:08 PM   #61
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Re: Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

Well, I would guess that the 5th is conditional for 2011 and could move up depending on how Campbell plays.
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:11 PM   #62
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Well, I would guess that the 5th is conditional for 2011 and could move up depending on how Campbell plays.
that isn't encouraging. the bills suck!
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:15 PM   #63
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that isn't encouraging. the bills suck!
That maybe true, but the conditional would be based on Campbells performance and he has managed good numbers behind this line, he ought to do as well behind theirs.
Not sold on the trade, but I am really open to whatever BA/MS do if they think it is the best for the Skins.
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:21 PM   #64
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Well, I would guess that the 5th is conditional for 2011 and could move up depending on how Campbell plays.
Just curious, but if there is a work stoppage in 2011 would we lose a conditional pick or would it be moved to 2012?
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:22 PM   #65
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3rd and a conditional 5th wouldn't be bad

could see Whitner come here.. what if we sent them someone?
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:35 PM   #66
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Interesting offseason rumors. Love it. Sure, I've been reading these in the offseason for years -- and they rarely come true, but still interesting nonetheless. And there's always a "source" who has inside info on these sites.. Problem is -- even the best source is limited -- Shanahan himself may change his mind on these things every day. (heck, I change my own mind on the draft every time I read a new article). Anyway, like reading fiction - it's fun and it keeps your mind off the economy and watching Tiger Woods on TV..

1) Landry - might have killed his trade value after a sorry season. why did we draft him at #7 again?? Damn. Honestly it might be better to keep him because I do believe he's better than how badly he played last year -- and we'll get little in return for him.
2) Moss -- I'm all for trading him. He can never be a legitimate threat unless we have a solid #2 because they just double and triple team him -- and you can't throw to a 5 foot midget with 3 corners on him.
3) Campbell -- If we trade him, who's going to play QB? Brennan was injured and has played about 4-5 quarters in preseason total. Bradford or Clausen would get KILLED with our current offensive line. We'd have to pick up a veteran FA QB to help, but why not just keep JC..

Although improbable, I'd love to trade down. Maybe we could still get Clausen, pick up an extra O-lineman. And O-lineman. And O-lineman. Sigh.
Hmm, where do I start.....

1) Landry-- We have 3 talented SS's right now. We need a FS or two. No way do we get the same type of trade value out of Doughty or Horton. So Landry makes sense. Don't know why we picked him up other then we needed a SS to play along side Taylor, then we lost Taylor and the team felt LL could work out at FS....which I would disagree with.

2) Moss-- I think we all have mentioned and almost agreed that Moss is more of a #2 WR vs. a #1. So talking about picking up a viable #2 would only leave us with two #2's. We need a Marshall, Bryant, or T.O. type of WR. Keep Moss if you want to play second fiddle but be prepared for his regular season injury. I'd trade Moss and see what I could get for ARE, if nothing then cut him. Bring in a big #1 type WR.

3) JC-- I'm in the tender JC catagory only cause I don't think there's another QB out there who would be as safe with the ball as JC. Collins need to go due to age. Let JC be the Vet back up, but JC won't like to hear that. I'd still go after a QB in the first round and Bradford or whoever is more accurate with the ball would be picked. I'm hedging our record will be better next year and we won't have a top 5 pick which means we can't wait till next year to find a Franchise QB.

Some will argue that none of the QB's this year are a lock or guarentee to be a Franchise QB..... well honestly no QB coming out of the draft is a lock. But the higher the quality pick usually gets you a higher quality QB as with all the other positions. I'd draft Bradford and start JC until Bradford was up to speed. But if we can get good trade value then trade away.
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:44 PM   #67
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why draft a rookie qb this year? We'll have to pay him Stafford type money and he won't have a very good line in front of him. We should address the o-line this year with our first overall pick and probably our second and then draft a qb next year when if and when the rookie cap is instituted. Our line will be more seasoned (sanchez played pretty well all things considered behind a good o-line, stafford got the crap kicked out of him because their line is about as bad as ours) and we wont have to pay some PROSPECT Peyton Manning money. And who knows, if we upgrade our line and we keep JC, maybe he plays much better and we resign him which would negate the need to use a high pick in next year's draft on a QB.
Sorry, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but it makes me feel better.
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:59 PM   #68
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DIE-NASTY great post the same people that bashed Vinny for taking skilled players instead of a O Line are now wanting to draft a QB that may never work out.
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why draft a rookie qb this year? We'll have to pay him Stafford type money and he won't have a very good line in front of him. We should address the o-line this year with our first overall pick and probably our second and then draft a qb next year when if and when the rookie cap is instituted. Our line will be more seasoned (sanchez played pretty well all things considered behind a good o-line, stafford got the crap kicked out of him because their line is about as bad as ours) and we wont have to pay some PROSPECT Peyton Manning money. And who knows, if we upgrade our line and we keep JC, maybe he plays much better and we resign him which would negate the need to use a high pick in next year's draft on a QB.
Sorry, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but it makes me feel better.
Maybe Bradford will need surgery on his other shoulder from the pounding he will take if the OL is not addressed.
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:27 PM   #70
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Maybe Bradford will need surgery on his other shoulder from the pounding he will take if the OL is not addressed.
How did Drew Brees's injured shoulder turn out for the Saints?
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Old 02-24-2010, 07:33 PM   #71
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Re: Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.
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Old 02-24-2010, 08:21 PM   #72
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Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.
sometimes wiping the slate clean helps, you bring in fresh guys that are handpicked for your system and brought in under the expectation that they will do their best for you because the coaching staff wanted you.. those are a few of the factors

We don't have to trade all of those guys but it's expected that you'll field offers, hardly anyone is off the table
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Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.
I wouldn't classify looking at the option to trade Moss, Landry, and Cooley as just desperate for more picks.

Moss - Above average, not great hands, average at best route runner, doesn't give full effort 100% of the time, not a #1 caliber receiver, maybe a year or two (at best) left.

Cooley - Pro Bowl caliber TE, Davis better physically than Cooley and productive this year. Two high quality TEs are a nice to have, but with the holes on the OL, if Cooley could be dealt for a 2nd rounder to pick up an OL starter it's a good move.

Landry - physically gifted, questions about his mental approach and work ethic. If a good trade scenario is offered it can't hurt to consider.
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Old 02-24-2010, 08:54 PM   #74
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I wouldn't classify looking at the option to trade Moss, Landry, and Cooley as just desperate for more picks.

Moss - Above average, not great hands, average at best route runner, doesn't give full effort 100% of the time, not a #1 caliber receiver, maybe a year or two (at best) left.

Cooley - Pro Bowl caliber TE, Davis better physically than Cooley and productive this year. Two high quality TEs are a nice to have, but with the holes on the OL, if Cooley could be dealt for a 2nd rounder to pick up an OL starter it's a good move.

Landry - physically gifted, questions about his mental approach and work ethic. If a good trade scenario is offered it can't hurt to consider.
I think you need to keep Cooley for one more year to see if Davis is the real thing before you think about moving him. I wouldn't gamble on giving away one of our best offensive weapons just because Davis had a couple of good games.

Now with Moss, I don't know how realistic it would be to trade him. But I just feel we could con a team like the Bears into a 4th rounder for him. Some might say, well you would be getting rid of your "#1" WR or getting rid of a veteran WR...but I just feel that he hasn't been much of an impact in the past two season.

Landry is the typical example of a talented player that you could part ways with (for good compensation) because you have a good replacement (Horton...even Doughty) and is a player that has had his issues in here (attitude, poor play, etc., etc.).

Other than these guys, Rogers would be a good option to trade. He could be valuable to another team, and we could use the picks (especially with Dunta Robinson out there available). I also feel that we have young CBs (Barnes, Tryon) that could eventually step up (or we could draft more DBs later on).
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a 3 and a 5? I think I'd rather keep the guy. He has shown flashes that he can play at a high level. Let's assemble a real NFL-caliber offensive line. Who knows if the guys we pick by trading JC to Buff will pan out.
I think a 3 and a 5 is good value. I am surprised if we can even get a 3.
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