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Old 03-03-2010, 09:29 AM   #181
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No, there's no way. They'd both come a lot, obviously, but both would be used in combination coverage schemes, particularly with covering blocking backs in man to man coverage and zone coverage in the hook-curl zone. I'd imagine Peppers is more of a raw talent compared to Orakpo, who is more of a strength-technique game. No idea who would play on which side, but a 3-4 defense does really need to be able to apply pressure from either side.

The Cowboys sucked at defense for a long time despite Ware being a rather raw phenom. When Spencer finally became a threat, their defense got really good, really quick.

None of this is to suggest that Carter/Alexander/Wilson aren't capable of being that threat on the other side at 20% of the cost of Peppers. I'm not sold on Peppers, but he'd be (if not Kampman) the guy in the front seven to go for in free agency, if anyone.


I have said for the last couple of years that I would give Wilson a shot. I think he is a perfect fit for the OLB in a 3-4 base defense. When the guy gets on the field, which isn't a ton, he always seems to be around the QB.
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I agree with you on Wilson. He's done whatever's been asked of him here, and 3-4 OLB seems like the best place for him. Right now, Wilson-Fletcher-Dansby-Orakpo would be my starting ideal starting LB lineup.
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What about Rocky? We just put a tender on him and let him go for a pick or 2 if we are lucky. Rocky, fletch, Dansby, Rak sounds better to me than having Wilson on the "Weak side".
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:17 AM   #184
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i certainly think we're asking for problems if we have both carter and haynesworth playing positions they have no desire to play. in theory, i like the 3-4, but i think we're not going to get good production from carter or haynesworth if thats our base defense.
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There are many variations of the 3-4, just because Carter didn't play well in SF's scheme it doesn't mean he can't succeed here.

I still don't understand the assumption that AH #1 doesn't want to play the nose, and #2 wouldn't be successful doing so. It's not like he wouldn't also play DE as well depending on the situation.
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There are many variations of the 3-4, just because Carter didn't play well in SF's scheme it doesn't mean he can't succeed here.

I still don't understand the assumption that AH #1 doesn't want to play the nose, and #2 wouldn't be successful doing so. It's not like he wouldn't also play DE as well depending on the situation.

That makes sense. Just because Albert is listed as the nose doesn't mean he won't be playing nose and both DE spots depending on the situation. Also, Haslett has coached a 4-3 as well so it sounds like we will be playing some of that too.

The biggest thing that I am happy to hear is that the defense will be more complex which Phat Al should be happy about. There is no more "Ok, you are a DT in a 4-3 and you are in charge of your gaps, end of story". We have some dynamic players in our front 7 and it sounds like we want one or two more. So lets customize the defense to our players strengths instead of forcing the players to fit in the scheme.
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There are many variations of the 3-4, just because Carter didn't play well in SF's scheme it doesn't mean he can't succeed here.

I still don't understand the assumption that AH #1 doesn't want to play the nose, and #2 wouldn't be successful doing so. It's not like he wouldn't also play DE as well depending on the situation.
You are correct in hesitating on that. No one really knows.

But since AH complained of being restricted by Blache's scheme, and since most nose tackle jobs are more restrictive still, I have supposed that he would be unhappy in the role.

Then again, some 3-4 nose tackles play a more penetrating style and are not expected to be cloggers. If we play him that way, he may be happy.

As for Carter, he flat-out said that he wants his hand on the ground. Given this and his history in SF, I find it hard to foresee him flourishing in any 3-4 set-up which Haslett might concoct.

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You are correct in hesitating on that. No one really knows.

But since AH complained of being restricted by Blache's scheme, and since most nose tackle jobs are more restrictive still, I have supposed that he would be unhappy in the role.

Then again, some 3-4 nose tackles play a more penetrating style and are not expected to be cloggers. If we play him that way, he may be happy.

As for Carter, he flat-out said that he wants his hand on the ground. Given this and his history in SF, I find it hard to foresee him flourishing in any 3-4 set-up which Haslett might concoct.

Did AC say that recently?
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There are many variations of the 3-4, just because Carter didn't play well in SF's scheme it doesn't mean he can't succeed here.

I still don't understand the assumption that AH #1 doesn't want to play the nose, and #2 wouldn't be successful doing so. It's not like he wouldn't also play DE as well depending on the situation.
Indeed, Haslett mentioned in an interview that he thought that Carter would like what they'd do with him vs his previous experience in the 3-4
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We dont need a DE we need a another LB I like Dansby from the Cardinals. He is only 28 and Peppers is 30 yrs old. we must remember Fletcher is getting long in the tooth as well. I also would not mind us going after Dunta Robinson CB from Texans. Rogers than can be traded for at least a 3rd and 7th round pick.
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No, your both wrong just read what this says about Carter.

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Well this is just speculation, so we'll see. Although if Carter does have the same opinion about being OLB in the 3-4 as he did in SF, then I can see him being released.
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I would take a look at Leigh Bodden and Aaron kampfman as cheaper alternatives to Peppers and Dunta Robinson.
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I would take a look at Leigh Bodden and Aaron kampfman as cheaper alternatives to Peppers and Dunta Robinson.
I thought Aaron Kampman was being let go because he'll fit better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB?
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Call me greedy, but I want now AND later. The best players on our already fearsome defense are staying. The ones who are in limbo are ALL FILLER to me ESPECIALY Carlos Rogers. Whoever we get on defense needs to be in one of two categories...

Immediate difference makers
Young immediate difference makers

Period. Peppers is neither. He has zero years left of his best years. He may have 2 years left where he plays good enough to start for a team with an average defense. This is going to be expensive and pointless.
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I thought Aaron Kampman was being let go because he'll fit better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB?
Not true really. He probably is better with his hand on the ground, but he still has impressive numbers from the first half of last year, and proved he could make it as a 3-4 OLB.

I think the Packers are letting him hit the market because 1) he's coming off a major knee injury, and 2) they were just fine defensively without him last year.

That's a combination that makes it tough for the Packers to justify a long term deal there. That is a big red flag on him, but if he's healthy, he's got 2-3 more years as a top end pass rusher in this league.

He's a good alternative to Peppers in a 3-4 defense, but unlike Peppers, HE himself might want to avoid signing with a team to play the 3-4.
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