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Old 03-03-2010, 10:10 PM   #31
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He just said in an interview last week "With the new coaching and everything I DEFINATLY wanna be here." They tendered him so he gets to stay. In theory he got what he wanted lmao. He shoulda said, i wanna stay here WITH an extended deal AND get paid like a top 10 cornerback since we all know thats what he is thinking. Id take a 2nd or 3rd n 6th rounder for him.
Well we took a 3rd round corner last year and he barely saw the field. You are undervaluing Rogers.
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Curious if you think anyone will yield a 2nd rounder for Los? How about a 3rd rounder?...and would our FO let him go for that?
The problem is not that we wouldn't give him up at that price, but that he's old-ish (Rogers, 29 on 6/2, is actually a few days older than Asomugha, who was a 2003 first round pick), and the team that trades for him would not necessarily be the team who is looking to sign him to a long term deal.

So the price becomes an issue. What is the value of one-year of Rogers in draft pick compensation. If it's, say, a 5th rounder, I don't think the Redskins would take a 5th rounder for one year of Rogers. I think they would be happier with a year of him and then letting him walk.

They would obviously trade him for a second or third rounder, but it's going to be hard to find a team that wants to pay that price. This tender makes it easier though.

I think he'll be here in 2009, and he's going to get a lot of FA play next year as a free agent, labor deal pending.
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Essentially, this is a comparable deal. It's the last time Shanahan dealt a starting caliber corner a year away from free agency:

Atlanta Falcons | News | Falcons trade for Foxworth, make roster moves

He got a seventh-round pick in exchange. I'd be much happier with holding on to Rogers, if that's the return.
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:12 PM   #34
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The 1st round tender is just a starting point for negotiations correct? If offered a 2nd rd pick for Los I bet the FO takes it...
Or straight up for Cromartie.
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:13 PM   #35
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Losing Rogers, if someone does pony up a 2nd or maybe just a 3rd, could sting in the short run. Westbrook and Tryon aren't great in coverage nor great playmakers. Barnes is a total ? at this point. However if the FO is dead set on getting Robinson then losing Rogers means squat...and in this case who really cares what we get for him.

...is it just me or does our secondary have more drama/headcase action than other positions? Landry acts like an insane person and Rogers has the maturity of an 8 yr old every other day.
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Or straight up for Cromartie.
Wasn't Cromartie getting toasted worse than Carlos last year?
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Or straight up for Cromartie.
It would be hard to get a fourth round draft choice for Los. Los will be 29, and not getting any better. He was an achillies heel last year, every time we needed a stop.
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Losing Rogers, if someone does pony up a 2nd or maybe just a 3rd, could sting in the short run. Westbrook and Tryon aren't great in coverage nor great playmakers. Barnes is a total ? at this point. However if the FO is dead set on getting Robinson then losing Rogers means squat...and in this case who really cares what we get for him.

...is it just me or does our secondary have a been more drama/headcase action than other positions? Landry acts like an insane person and Rogers has the maturity of an 8 yr old every other day.
I would say that this team needs to maximize the value of any and every deal going forward. Otherwise it is business as usual.
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Carlos isn't sharp, and he drops interceptions, but I just don't get the hate for a guy that can be a very good corner in this league and for this team.
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Wasn't Cromartie getting toasted worse than Carlos last year?
He had his mind elsewhere because of 5 different kids with 5 different women in 5 different states (I think). I say if Rogers will be unhappy trade him and take a chance on Cromartie or a 2nd or 3rd round pick instead.
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Carlos isn't sharp, and he drops interceptions, but I just don't get the hate for a guy that can be a very good corner in this league and for this team.
Speaking for myself, it's the attitude he's displayed during his Redskins tenure that has constantly rubbed me the wrong way. It's been one obnoxious episode after another. However, I do think he's a very decent player who is underrated by Redskins fan. It's possible for me to separate my hate for Carlos the weird-faced kvetch and grudging respect for Carlos the player, although others have a harder time.
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:29 PM   #42
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When Los dropped the pick 6 against Seattle in the '05 playoffs I think he somehow laid out the rest of his career path. He's underwhelming at best...when he gets burned or jams his hooves at the pigskin I want to shoot him w/ a pellet gun.
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Speaking for myself, it's the attitude he's displayed during his Redskins tenure that has constantly rubbed me the wrong way. It's been one obnoxious episode after another. However, I do think he's a very decent player who is underrated by Redskins fan. It's possible for me to separate my hate for Carlos the weird-faced kvetch and grudging respect for Carlos the player, although others have a harder time.
Yeah, I basically understand that part, and his lack of int's then adds a kicker, so I guess I get the basic disregard, but some fans have alot of vitriol towards him that seems to go beyond.
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Poor Carlos rogers, he gets burned, beat, cooked, and now tendered. Oh wait this isn't about how bad he is at coverages.
haha nice cult. but seriously, what did los expect? he needs to get over it and play ball. earn a contract, and we will give you one.
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People on this board are way too rough on 'los. I don't agree with what he's saying, of course the skins tendered you. That's how this business runs. You're going to get a decent contract, just play for it. Personally, I think we should extend him a reasonable contract now after a down year. Carlos plays great coverage sure, he got burned a few times. Find me a CB that doesn't. It's part of the game. His hands are bad, he drops picks. I wish he made them, but he's not a WR, if he's shutting down a receiver -- he's doing his job.

I'm curious what fan sentiment would be like on players from the 80s if they had ways to quickly contact millions of fans (Facebook, twitter, 24 hour media, etc etc). These guys are just reacting. No time to think about what they're saying. That doesn't make saying stupid things "right" -- but I understand how certain mentalities can go over the top sometimes.

Also, those of you willing to take a 2nd round pick for a young and relatively talented corner. Think long and hard about who we have on this team to replace him. Smoot as a starter? Draft a complete gamble of a player in the 2nd round? People often over-value draft picks. I'm shocked at how many people are willing to toss away a proven commodity for a 2nd round crap shoot. Let's look at our 2nd rounders over the past 10 years.
Rocky McIntosh, Taylor Jacobs, Ladell Betts, Fred Smoot. Not a terrible list, but not a great one.
Ahahahaha. I somewhat agree with you in regards to Los. He reminds me of a young Smoot. Terrible at interceptions but good at making sure the WR does not get the ball. But what I don't like about Los is he way over values his performance. No way he makes Hall type money which is what he thinks he's worth.

and as you said he had a bad year, possibly due to the team not having an offense and when the team got down in points the defense would go into panic mode. There's no excaping the fact that he bit on double moves. Hopefully he can correct this over the summer. He plays better man-to-man bumping the WR at the line of scrimage. When he was put in zone he looked lost, got beat, and bit on double moves.

So it depends on what style of scheme they will use more often... man-to-man or zone to determine how valueable he is to the Skins. Plus every player is going to complain about being tendered. Everyone wants their pay day. I think he over values his status with us. You asked who would we put in his place? I'd use Barnes. or go out and spend for Rolle from the Cards.

Out of your 2nd round draft pick list I'd have expected more from Rocky and especially Betts who I think underperformed. I can't wait till everyone is supprised what Shanahan will be able to do with a 3rd or 4th rounder. Betts will be long forgotten. We won't talk about Jacobs, and Smoot has served his purpose. Knock him now but back when we first drafted him he did pretty good.
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