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Old 03-17-2010, 02:46 PM   #166
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I've asked this before. Which teams does history show (and make sure the quantity is a "substantially high number") are stuck due to picking a quarterback?
Wow, tall request but here goes. These are first round QB's:

David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler (Sorry to toss that one at you)
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:47 PM   #167
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does somebody know some possibilities?

I think at that point I'd try to package him up and get a 2nd

I don't know though
We may actually have to package him up to get the 3rd and 4th, alone he probably gets one or the other. And right now there is just one (maybe two) team interested in him.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:55 PM   #168
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sandy - but how did those picks "significantly set back" those franchises? what was the teams record a few years before they were drafted compared to what the teams record was for a few years after the draft.

its a fine point but perhaps drafting a bust qb early really just wastes an opportunity for the team to improve and not significantly set the team back. theres a difference there.

if the lions were going about 4-12 for a few years before they drafted harrington, then go 4-12 for a few years after, that really didnt set the lions significatly back as much as it was a lost opportunity to improve the team.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:55 PM   #169
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I think what people keep forgetting is that drafting a QB with #4 is not right for the Redskins right now, plain and simple. Our offensive line has not gotten much better, and we could use a stud like Okung to come in and start at LT right away (the same way the Tuna got Jake Long).

I know people are sick of Campbell, but the team/fans/ownership/FO have to be patient, because unfortunately lack of patience is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble (and I don't mean patient with Campbell, but patient with the rebuilding process which should start with the OL). Personally, I'm not sold on Bradford...he may be highly touted, but I'm sure getting injured and only playing 2-3 games last season has some type of negative repercussion. Yes, I know he got better, etc., etc., but I'm just not sold. And Clausen is getting 2nd place to a guy like Bradford, no thanks.

I know getting Okung will not save the Redskins or lead them to a SB in 2010, but it's a start. Just as people claim that we can easily pick up a lineman in the 2nd round, I say that if we're going to pick up a QB to sit on the bench, let's pick him up in the 2nd round, and pick the lineman that can start right away with #4.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:57 PM   #170
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I think what people keep forgetting is that drafting a QB with #4 is not right for the Redskins right now, plain and simple. .
Oh yeah, I did forget that lol

good thing you reminded me
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:58 PM   #171
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Wow, tall request but here goes. These are first round QB's:

David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler (Sorry to toss that one at you)
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
Can you tell me how these teams were held back by drafting a quarterback? For example, would the Redskins have been a perennial playoff team in the 90's had they taken someone else besides Heath Shuler within reason?
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:03 PM   #172
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OMG, I must be in the twilight zone! Tell me I just didn't wake up to us signing Rex Grossman? Does this mean we're trading Campbell?
thats one way of looking at it. that, or we are planning on keeping JC and use our pick on the offensive line. or that we simply needed a backup QB and now we have one that knows the new offensive scheme and is younger than Collins.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:03 PM   #173
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Too sexy for you is he?

Grossman got a bum rap in Chicago, injuries and poor playcalling did him in. He's a better man and player now. Grossman will be just fine as a backup/spot starter/jevan snead mentor
If the skins traded out of the 4th pick, picked up a 2nd round pick, and ended up drafting Spiller, Snead, and an offensive tackle, you'd be a rather happy camper, wouldnt you?
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Can you tell me how these teams were held back by drafting a quarterback? For example, would the Redskins have been a perennial playoff team in the 90's had they taken someone else besides Heath Shuler within reason?
Indeed...

such as in the early 2000s on

what'd we do with a good line?

if you can make the argument that the line is our only weakness that's fine, hell even the biggest, it arguably is.. but a line alone won't do it

either way, we'll see offensive improvements with a better line.. does it mean we have to use pick 4 on it? nope
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:07 PM   #175
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thats one way of looking at it. that, or we are planning on keeping JC and use our pick on the offensive line. or that we simply needed a backup QB and now we have one that knows the new offensive scheme and is younger than Collins.
yep.. us signing Grossman means that he's our starter just as much as CLE signing Delhomme

you could argue that delhomme has a better opportunity though I guess
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If the skins traded out of the 4th pick, picked up a 2nd round pick, and ended up drafting Spiller, Snead, and an offensive tackle, you'd be a rather happy camper, wouldnt you?
Hells yeah
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:09 PM   #177
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If we draft a QB in the first or 2nd round, i'd take whatever I could get for Campbell, since he really wouldnt have a place on the team. If we don't draft a QB, I wouldn't let Campbell go for anything less than a 2nd. he'd simply be too valuable to us.
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:10 PM   #178
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We may actually have to package him up to get the 3rd and 4th, alone he probably gets one or the other. And right now there is just one (maybe two) team interested in him.
I wouldn't want to give up much to get that

any chance of revealing interested teams?
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Hells yeah
SneadSmack has a rather nice ring to it...
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Old 03-17-2010, 03:10 PM   #180
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You're right. You and the mock drafts know better. All GMs should be required to use Mel Kiper's Big Board as a reference from now on.
The reason why Polian isn't surprised is probably because he probably researched out most of the "probable" ways the teams could have picked in the draft except that unlike the mocks, he has access to even more info. That's how he's never surprised. Being surprised is an emotion. Please do freaking tell how after rating that it would be probable the Rams would take either Suh or Bradford would result in me be surprised if one or the other is not chosen.


Not this omniscient "they all got together and shared notes on who they're picking" and got a predetermined draft order before it even happened. Not to mention that even with a "secret flaw" that wasn't so secret(like who didn't know about Oher's potential learning issues?), Leinart still had excellent size, accuracy, pocket presence, learned in a pro offense, winning records, ability to put touch on the passes, blah, blah, blah. That's stuff you'd expect from a top prospect (unlike our JC#17, who is mediocre at best at all of those skill).

Not only that, Leinart didn't fall that much. He was STILL a top ten pick, not a precipitous fall-off like Oher, who was drafted 23.

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Polian's being not surprised is NOT because of some godly omniscience you keeping attributing to him, but because educated guess due to information garnered from various sources.
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